The Myths of Heavyweight boxing

10 years ago. A person is allowed a learning curve, is he not? Bhop lost his first fight in the pros, no one is saying Bhop would lose to that kind of opponent again.

 

At this point in time I shall label you a hater and stop wasting my time responding to you. Its really too bad, you started so well, especially bringing up quality opposition from holmes era.

An argument is only productive is both sides are in pursuit of truth and are armed with reason. Welcome to the company of dinovelt, derric and scienceguru, I am sure you will be comforted in your hate.:hi:

 

Well the problem is that people can't make up their mind on whether its the boxing skill/talent that should constitute a boxer's elite status (in which case Solis is arguably one of the best boxer heavyweight ever witnessed) or is it conditioning/drive/ability to crush opponents crudely that does, in which case Tyson Fury is elite.

If it's both, then the "Elite list" will be limited to roughly 5 boxers in all divisions combined, and still, heavyweight will have at least one elite fighter, which is same as the famous 154 lb division that contains big names like May, Canelo, Lara etc

 

What was your argument at hand? That losses 10 years ago or longer, to guys you called utter shites, mean that Wlad is not an atg?

Or rather that Wlad was in his prime back then?

my ex gf is south african and her father was incredibly patriotic. Once he found out that I like boxing, he showed me his extensive tape collection of south african boxers, and I had a unique opportunity of watching with him most of Sanders career.

Based on my own experience (albeit limited) as a boxer and my ability to judge fighters technique, Sanders was very good. He was a very tall southpaw, with a good reach and blinding fast hands. Add to that considerable punch power and killer instinct, and you have a potential great. Problem? He never took training seriously, and liked to golf more than he liked to box. To that you can atribute his loss to Tubs, he just didn't train. I doubt he trained very hard for Wlad either, but that was just how he was.

For 4 rounds or less, he was incredibly dangerous, and it just so happens that his strong point (left cross counter) matched perfectly with Wlad's glaring weakness (over commitment with right hand, he reached in after he threw a right cross, and left himself wide open). Since that fateful night, Wlad doesn't even use his right hand until his opponent is semi-unconscious, and utilizes superior footwork and his height to keep himself out of trouble.

Ross Purrity was a stupid loss of a young guy that wanted to show off in front of a home crowd and spent his nights with models instead of getting rested(The later point was brought up in an old interview in Russian, where he admitted to rowdy behavior prior to fights because his opponents usually fell over from his punches: The Boss and his iron chin were an eye opener for Klitschko)

Brewster...that fight was fishy. Wlad beat the living **** out of Brewster until he ran out of gas inexplicably. Be it poisoning, bad conditioning, experiments with bad pharma (I am convinced that Wlad, as well as every other pro boxer, is on peds) or whatnot, it doesn't matter. Never again did Wlad have such a situation happen again, including the Peter fight which was much, much more difficult for him.

Wlad's prime in my book is his fight with David Haye. IN that prime, I say with a conviction of a man that is willing to put his money where his mouth is, Wlad was an ATG that would give any man in history of boxing a nightmare in the ring. 10 years undefeated only further prove my point, because Wlad fought anyone and everyone, and won convincingly against every opponent.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbt_SIH5lcg

at 0:32 of that video, Sanders lands that cross that put Wlad on ***** street. Its easy to dismiss that punch as nothing special, but this is Rahman we are talking about, the man that that fought monstrous punchers his entire career.

at 2:18 Sanders himself makes the mistake of reaching after his punch, and gets caught with a beautiful right counter that essentially won the fight for Rahman.

If you listen to the commentators, you will hear them also mention just how fast Sanders hands are (its just Emanuel Steward making the comment, surely nothing worth noting for a true boxing expert that posts on boxing forums) and also, just in what poor shape he is in. Sanders was a slacker, but a very physically gifted slacker, that should be taken for what he is, and not insulted in order to pursue an agenda of discrediting Klitschko.

PS: Sanders walked around with his hands low simply because his conditioning didn't allow him to keep his hands up. He relied heavily on his hand speed and his superior chin to carry him through the fight, a reliance one should never have in heavyweight boxing.

 

Playing idiotball i see. Sorry, I don't like that game, the ball is all yours.

 

you're not contributing any facts to the conversation. you're repeatedly trying to insult men that risk their lives every time they are in the ring, based purely on your emotional instability and childish potty mouth syndrome. Believe it or not, insults are not facts. If they were, I would just call you ******ed and announce myself the winner.

The only thing you were successful in is wasting my time (which I suppose is wasted by default on the forum).