Jake LaMotta vs subsequent champions

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  1. Bullet

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    can you see Jake beating Hagler, Monzon, maybe Dick Tiger ?
     
  2. mcvey

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    Possibly Tiger, he would come in looking to brawl. Hagler would box him Monzon would Monzon him ,[ yawn]
     
  3. Bullet

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    I think Tiger would most likely box behind his good jab.
     
  4. mcvey

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    Tiger had a job drawing with a faded Fullmer who fought defensively.
     
  5. ETM

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    I think LaMotta could beat any of those guys on a given day. Hagler would be the roughest fight because he could match Jake in toughness but also box him on the outside.
     
  6. Bummy Davis

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    he has a good chance to beat any of them, I think he beats Tiger regularly and has the right style for Hagler, Monzon may be tough because of the height and reach but if Jake get inside could be a different fight.....Lets face it he fought well against Cerdan and was competitive vs SRR (who was the very best) and when SRR was 142-2 he could still beat them all ....Jake a rugged guy and hell for Tiger,Hagler,Monzon
     
  7. Seamus

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    He has no chance of beating Monzon. He has little chance of beating Hagler. He could take Tiger.
     
  8. Bummy Davis

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    I remember Vito Anterfermo giving him a tough fight in fight one and Jake was tougher and busier than Vito and also the older Duran gave Marvin a good battle fighting on the inside and Jake was great at the inside battle so I give him a big chance to beat Hagler a great chance of beating tiger and less of a chance vs Monzon but would not count him out (who did Monzon fight that was close to Jake as far as toughness
     
  9. ForemanJab

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    Trinidad would brutalize and knock Lamotta out.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Yeah right.
     
  11. mcvey

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    The Hagler that fought those two could certainly lose a decision to Jake.
    I am assuming, as always that the very best version of each fighter turns up,that being the case I think Hagler takes a close points win.
     
  12. heavy_handss

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    ABSURD COMMENT, he would have chance against any of these guys. i pick monzon against him but it is not like a fact. lamotta in his best night would have chance vs any mw ever
     
  13. heavy_handss

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    i don“t know if you are joking, if you are just ignorant or just a troll
     
  14. Bullet

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    Personally, I can't see in what Jake was better, on the outside he didn't have a better jab (even though Jake's jab was good) but he had disavantages in reach and speed (and power) that could make things very tough for him on the outside.

    Hagler is also: just as tough, and more polished on the inside and had the better defense (again, even though Jake's defense wasn't horrible).
     
  15. klompton2

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    I disagree that Tiger had a rough time with Fullmer in their second fight. In their first fight Fullmer quickly realized that Tiger was much stronger than him and changed from his usually rushing, mauling style to just running. He just tried to survive. The second fight picks up exactly where the first went off except Gene just ran the entire time. That draw is sickening because Fullmer didnt even come close to trying to win.

    LaMotta is difficult to guage because his best years were behind him by the time he got a title shot and hence by the time most of the film on him is made. In his prime he was a hellacious body puncher, one of the best ever, who was always in great shape, tireless, and threw a lot of punches, on top of his legendary toughness. He was compared early on to Harry Greb believe it or not but his style was not made for longevity and he became jaded very early which effected his performances. However he was strong enough to deal quite successfully with bigger, harder hitting fighters which makes me think he might do well with Tiger despite the fact that Tiger looked great against guys who fought in Jake's style. If Tiger was strong enough to handle Jake it could be a bad beating for LaMotta. If LaMotta could deal with Tiger's strength I could see him outpointing him. Neither guy is going down. I think stylistically Hagler would be the easiest for LaMotta. Hagler could get psyched out and intimidated IMO it happened against Duran, it happened against Antuofermo. A prime LaMotta was better than either of those guys when Hagler fought them. So I could see LaMotta taking a decision against Hagler. Its a 50/50 IMO and would be very close. Monzon Im not sure about. He was so tall and had such an awkward defense that I could see him giving LaMotta problems. Im not nearly as high on Monzon as most people. I think hes overrated, was protected, and his marquee wins arent all that impressive given when he fought those guys in their careers. If Im right and hes overrated LaMotta would find out, break his body, and take home a decision. If Im wrong then Monzon would move along the ropes, twisting and turning whenever LaMotta got in close to negate the damage those short arms could bring and take a decision, likely busting LaMotta up along the way. All three fights are tough calls depending on some variables.

    One thing Bullet: Watch LaMotta outjab Robinson in the St. Valentines Day Massacre when hes already past his prime and weight drained. Robinson had one of the best left jabs in the history of the sport and if Jake can outjab him I think hell do fine against Hagler.

    Bodypunches always get undersold. Its just a fact. But Jake was a fantastic bodypuncher and thats where his power manifested itself. Allen Rosenfeld who wrote the Charley Burley book had seen LaMotta fight live several times. He was at a fight in Detroit once where LaMotta was fighting this guy (cant remember who) the fight looked like it was on pretty even terms until about midway through LaMotta's opponent started bleeding profusely from the mouth. Nobody could figure out where all the blood was coming from because LaMotta had thrown almost no head shots, focusing almost exclusively on the body. In between rounds they stopped the fight because it wasnt a cut he was bleeding from, he was spitting up blood. LaMotta had battered this guys body so much that he was hemmoraging internally.