Why can't any present greats beat any of the past greats?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Tyson379, Jul 28, 2014.


  1. Joejr

    Joejr Boxing Addict banned

    5,693
    1
    Jun 10, 2014
    Yes and the official weigh ins back then happened on the same days


    You do know that making weight hurts fighters right?
     
  2. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

    260,043
    263,868
    Nov 23, 2013
    Yes I know, Robinson was far from unbeatable was the point I was trying to make, he was great but had flaws.
     
  3. Joejr

    Joejr Boxing Addict banned

    5,693
    1
    Jun 10, 2014
    There isn't a welterweight in the history of boxing that could beat him


    And before you mention that someone huge like hearns would have a chance remember hearns didn't have same day weigh ins
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

    260,043
    263,868
    Nov 23, 2013
    Hearns may have had a small chance, he had an almost perfect KO record at WW. The other Sugar Ray may have had a slight chance as well.

    We'll unfortunately never know.
     
  5. Joejr

    Joejr Boxing Addict banned

    5,693
    1
    Jun 10, 2014
    Hearns wouldn't have made welterweight with same day weigh in though, srl is probebly the only one with a chance

    With day before weigh ins robinson would have been a lightweight and I can't even see Duran being a match for him
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

    260,043
    263,868
    Nov 23, 2013
    I agree about Duran
     
  7. hamiltonporter

    hamiltonporter Member Full Member

    416
    69
    Jul 23, 2010
    It's simple, they fought way more fights per year than fighters today , against much better competition. Hence they are more experienced and would most likely win against these fighters who fight 2 to 3 to times a year
     
  8. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,405
    1,089
    Jul 13, 2014
    Throw Bitchko into the mix of Ali, frazier, foreman, shavers, Norton,holmes these guys constantly faught each other. Bitchko would fight maybe one guy one time and then bitchko would be off to fighting bums for the remainder of his career.

    Sugar ray, hearns, benitez, pryor, duran, arguello, tito, haggler, barkley, toney, jones throw mayweather and GGG and ward into that tornado ask mayweather senior he got his asswhipped in that tornado

    I think fighters were hungrier, and there was just more completion.

    Too many ducks today, triple duck, duckweather...............
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,204
    19,335
    Jun 25, 2014
    When Thomas Hearns fought at welterweight, weigh-ins were the same day as the fight. The morning of his first fight with Ray Leonard, Hearns weighed 145 pounds. He also weighed in the same day he fought Pipino Cuevas for the title. I know they were still doing them the same day as the fight as late as 1984.
     
  10. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    25,204
    19,335
    Jun 25, 2014
    It's not difficult to compare heavyweights over the years, because the weight is unlimited.

    It's hard to compare, for example, welterweights of the past with welterweights today because, when you see fighters competing in a welterweight fight today, they aren't welterweights.

    Last time I saw Brandon Rios fight, he weighed around 160 pounds the day of his welterweight fight. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. is weighing 178 going into fights. You can't compare Chavez Jr. to past middleweights. You have to compare how he'd do with past light heavyweights.

    Everything got screwed up when they moved the weigh-ins to the day before. Sometimes the guys weigh-in at 5 p.m. on a Friday and don't fight until 10 p.m. on a Saturday.

    Guys are so dried out today at the weigh-ins, they couldn't even freaking function in the ring if they had to step in and fight the same day.

    That's also why people are winning titles in so many divisions.

    When Wilfred Benitez and Alexis Arguello won titles in three divisions - and they did it right around the same time - they were only like the fourth and fifth, or fight and sixth fighters to do that IN ALL OF BOXinG HISTORY.

    Now, guys like Broner win titles in three divisions before he even fights a legit opponent, because he could dry out for the weigh in two or three divisions below his fighting weight, and basically have a 28 hours to put the weight back on and compete.

    In many cases, boxers in the past had to work to "put on additional weight" to "move up." Now guys just don't "dry out" as much when they "move up."

    It's a joke.

    So how could you compare a super featherweight Broner with super featherweights of the past (like Alfredo Escalara) when you never saw Broner fight in the ring as a super featherweight - because he was a freaking welterweight when he engaged in super featherweight fights.

    If they moved the weigh-ins back to the day OF the fight, nearly every champion below light heavyweight would have to vacate his title ... because he couldn't actually fight at that weight.

    It would be a free-for-all.
     
  11. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,405
    1,089
    Jul 13, 2014
    These ducks they have fighting today can be called out and they still wont fight. unifying a title to say I am the champ period in this division is not important to these ducks.

    These duck fighters today are just grooming themselves for a PPV payday that's it.
     
  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

    37,210
    6,766
    Jul 21, 2009
    Let me put it this way. Future greats will be unable to beat any of today's greats. And it will keep on going like that.
     
  13. rhin0z>

    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

    4,405
    1,089
    Jul 13, 2014
    If I live long enough I will tell the future greats that there was a time in boxing when the champs had feathers couldn't fly and all they did was duck the best fighters in there division.
     
  14. dogcatcher

    dogcatcher Active Member Full Member

    1,026
    182
    Dec 2, 2009
    It's not that a current individual can't defeat a champ from the past, it's just unlikely that that current fighter is better than all other champs throughout history within their weight range.

    In other words chances are high that some champ from another point in time can beat whoever currently holds the title.
     
  15. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

    9,212
    4
    Jun 10, 2005
    it was more competitive back in those days thats all. but some of those guys could hold there own in any era. maybe not with the same success but still be great if they are great fighters now.