Herrera beat Danny because he is better, bashing Danny devalues Herrera's "win".

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Mauricio Herrera was a virtual unkown to many people when he fought Danny because he is rarely seen on TV.
    He fought Ruslan on FNF, before anyone knew who either one was.
    He fought Mayfield on the undercard of Abregu-Dulorme that wasn't a massive ratings success, and he fought Alvarado on the undercard of the Marquez-Fedchenko PPV probably the least anticipated PPV in HBO history, in fact people cared so little they replayed it and Rios-Abril on HBO Latino the next weekend. So he's easy to miss unless your a hardcore boxing fan.

    So anyone who actually saw these fights like me, knew Mauricio would be a bad style matchup and is basically impossible to KO, and that Danny would have a far harder night that he thought he was.

    Herrera deserved the nod against Provo much like Algieri, he fought the fight with a grotesquely swollen eye, never went down though, and outworked and outjabbed Ruslan up close, unlike Algieri countering while moving back and to the side. It was a close fight but thankfully the judges weren't swayed by his eye damage.
    The fight with Alvarado was close to 2012's match of the year, it was a slugfest that once again he couldn't see out of one eye yet he went toe to toe, landing an almost equal amount of punches as Mike. I thought the fight was closer than the judges gave him credit for, the one that scored it 96-94 for Alvarado was the most accurate.

    The Mayfield match was a messy hold fest that Herrera actually outlanded Mayfield in power punches and jabs, I thought it was a close fight as well I thought it should have been a draw, neither one looked great. The night was made to showcase at the time prospects Mayfield and Dulorme, Abregu spoiled the party for Dulorme and Herrera kind of exposed Mayfield.

    Danny on the other hand has fought mainly fighters from the Golden Boy roster at JWW.
    Morales was finally totally shot.
    Khan got hit with a rabbit punch in the neck, messed his balance up.
    Judah put up a good fight which should have set off alarm bells.

    Then Matthysse who is overrated as a KO artist, while I am a fan, if you stand and slug it out with him you will lose, but the Judah and Alexander fights showed that while I thought he won them, they were close, he can be outboxed by someone with a few skills. So it basically means Danny has a slightly better skillset and chin than Judah and Alexander, and he benefitted from the closed eye. The fight was close to a draw maybe Danny by 1 or 2 rounds it wasn't a shutout by any means

    How would Danny have fared fighting Provodnikov Mayfield and Alvarado, instead of 3 has beens, leading up to Matthysse?

    Still Danny is real good at a lot, but great at nothing, still he has decent skills, and he didn't turn to **** overnight, Lucas and Danny didn't ruin each other, he was the legit JWW champ and was schooled by a better fighter. it doesn't mean Danny is a joke or washed up, he's still a very good fighter, he's just not as good a El Maestro.
    Herrera is a vastly underrated fighter and by saying Danny is now a joke because he lost to him, it does a big disservice to Herrera's win he was robbed of.


    That being said there is no excuse for the Salka fight.
     
  2. MVC!

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    #1 ranked JWW fighter- Danny Garcia 28-0

    :hi:

    Danny beat Herrera/Matthysse/Khan/Judah/Morales x2/Theophane/Holt....
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    If you actually read the thread you'd realize I quasi defended your boy you jackass.
     
  4. MVC!

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    He fought a very spirited fight, but he didn't win okay?

    Stop sipping on the gatorade and accept that he's the #1 fighter at jww.

    Herrera would beat Matthysse though, I will say that.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Matthysse would pose more problems for Herrera than Danny did, styles make fights.
     
  6. MVC!

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    Possible, won't deny it

    I still think Matthysse could be outboxed very thoroughly.

    Garcia is the recipient of a lot of unjustified hate and everyone knows it.

    He's taking a TUNE UP!
     
  7. FloatingGhost

    FloatingGhost Some guy Full Member

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    Not danny that's the joke...he just not as good as he was hyped to be. What's a joke are his titles
     
  8. MVC!

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    Are you serious?

    If he's not good then wtf is Matthysse? Wtf is Khan? :lol:
     
  9. CST80

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    I think the bashing causes people to undervalue Herrera's great performance.

    Come on even you can give just a little, your not excited in the least for Garcia Salka, be honest for once.
     
  10. killerD

    killerD Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had seen plenty of herrera so I was well aware of what could happen and it did.herrera is a crafty spoiler who is hard to look good against still when your the best in your division your so supposed to beat Herrera and garcia didn't even come close alverado beat Herrera ffs.here is why Herrera was considered a tune up Herrera has no power to hurt garcia.also people are bashing garcia's attitude of the sakla fight saying people should just watch.I'm like who the fuk are you what they should have done is give herrera an immediate rematch that's why danny garcia is getting killed.
     
  11. CST80

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    There is no excuse that he can make justifying this bull**** Salka match.

    I made the point, we don't know how well Danny would have fared against Ruslan or prime Alvarado, Herrera won and came close in the other. He came up fighting with the exception of Khan (who he lucked out with) washed up fighters. Herrera was facing some of the best before anyone knew how good they were.

    Maybe Herrera is just the best in the division or one of the best.
     
  12. MVC!

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    K being honest here

    I think it's a very underwhelming fight in terms of significance, I think it can possibly be a good fight because of their styles.

    That's all I'm going to say

    I've never once said it's a good fight in terms of historical significance or anything like that, all I said was that this has the potential to be a blood curdling war.
     
  13. FloatingGhost

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    Bashing danny doesn't devalue Herrera. Herrera is good. Better than danny. Herrera is not the best jr welterweight. But he's better than danny. For gods sake. Alvarado beat Herrera. No one gives alvarado any credit here. Ruslan beat Herrera n got jobbed. Danny is mediocre.
     
  14. CST80

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    Thank you and I agree
     
  15. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Danny beat Herrara in a close fight.
    Herrera is an ugly fighter.
    No one wants to watch him.
    Herrera is a ****ing BUM and cant accept the fact that he LOST.
    It is amazing that so many of you ****SUCKERS support him.