categories of advanced peds and how they work in boxing ?

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  1. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    what categories of advanced peds are used in boxing, how they work / cycles and how they are not detected in urine/blood but at the same time give to the athlete the most benefits ?
     
  2. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    what are the stages of roiding up ?
     
  3. Good Boy.

    Good Boy. Guest

    There are Steroids, and there are diuretics

    Steroids come in all different forms but it comes down to test levels. Dont matter what you are taking (test, tren, win, sus) they all elevate your test levels. This increases strength and lets you train harder and longer, and most importantly you recover faster. They all have different content levels which is basically strength levels and they all differ in how fast they act so you can stack them to get your perfect mix so to speak to meet your goals

    Synthetic steroids also limit your own bodies ability to produce natural testosterone, so when you come off, this is what is bad and what gives the side effects and makes you lose your 'gains'. But if done properly you take the right precautionary drugs during your cycle and after which helps your body produce natural testorone again and limit the production of female hormones. This is the correct way to do it.

    Diuretics help people lose fat and water weight. It helps boxers make weight. But mostly diuretics are used in athletes as they help mask whetever gear you have been taking and also due to how diuretics work they help flush all of the motablised drugs out of your system (which are what they check for in drug tests)

    It is a lot more in depth than this but this is basically it
     
  4. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    There are a shitton of different kind of Performance enhancing drugs. Steroids are the most obvious ones, i read there are more than 40 different versions of testosterone, and only few of them are tested. HGH (growth hormone) is a cruicial ped, because it allows the body to regenerate faster hence to train at levels unreachable by non hgh users, it strenghtens tendons also allowing to be much more injury resistant. A must for every kind of athlete, and not even tested in boxing. You can use as much as you want.

    Insulin is also used to recover post training, it help nutrients to reach the cells and to store energy.

    Epo is an hormone that stimulates the production of red cells of the blood, hence increasing the stamina even if you are a ball of roided muscles. There's also the auto transfusion of blood to help in that regard.
    Atp increases muscle contractivity, making you more explosive. There are substances that increases blood circulation.
    On competition day, such as track field, you take adrenaline injections or anfetamines, that makes you on fire and helps you burn the energies you have stored. They also help focusing wich is crucial for track field. You can lose a race with a bad start.








    SPIEGEL: Mr. Heredia, will you watch the 100 meter final in Beijing?

    Heredia: Of course. But the winner will not be clean. Not even any of the contestants will be clean.

    SPIEGEL: Of eight runners ...

    Heredia: ... eight will be doped.

    SPIEGEL: There is no way to prove that.

    Heredia: There is no doubt about it. The difference between 10.0 and 9.7 seconds is the drugs.



    SPIEGEL: Can drugs make anyone into a world record holder?



    Heredia: No, that is a misapprehension: “You take a couple of tablets today and tomorrow you can really fly.” In reality you have to train inconceivably hard, be very talented and have a perfect team of trainers and support staff. And then it is the best drugs that make the difference. It is all a great composition, a symphony. Everything is linked together, do you understand? And drugs have a long-term effect: they ensure that you can recover, that you avoid the catabolic phases. Volleyball on the beach might be healthy, but peak athletics is not healthy. You destroy your body. Marion Jones, for example ...

    SPIEGEL: ... five-time Olympic medallist at Sydney 2000 ...

    Heredia: ... trained with an unparalleled intensity. Drugs protect you from injury. And she triumphed and picked up all the medals.

    SPIEGEL: Are you proud?

    Heredia: Of course, I still am. It is still a tremendous achievement, and you must not believe that Marion’s rivals were poor, deceived competitors.

    SPIEGEL: This isn’t just an American problem?

    Heredia: Are you kidding me? No. All countries, all federations, all top athletes are affected, and among those responsible are the big shoe companies like Nike and Adidas. I know athletes who broke records; a year later they were injured and they got the call: “We’re cutting your sponsorship money by 50 percent.” What do you think such athletes then do?

    SPIEGEL: Tell us what you did for your clients.

    Heredia: Athletes hear rumors and they become worried. That the competition has other tricks, that they might get caught when they travel. There is no room for mistakes. One mistake can ruin a career.

    SPIEGEL: So you became a therapist for the athletes in matters of drugs?

    Heredia: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for ****tails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.

    SPIEGEL: With Marion Jones ...

    Heredia: ... it was about the recovery phases. In 2000 she competed in one event after another, and she needed to relax. I gave her epo, growth hormone, adrenaline injections, insulin. Insulin helps after training, together with protein drinks: insulin transports protein and minerals more quickly through the cell membrane.

    [...]


    SPIEGEL: And how did you become the best in your world?

    Heredia: With precision. You want an example? Everyone talks about epo. Epo is fashionable. But without adding iron, epo only works half as well. That’s the kind of thing you have to know. There are oxygen carriers that make epo work incredibly fast – they are actually better than epo alone. I call my drug “Epo Boost.” I inject it and it releases many tiny oxygen molecules throughout the body. In that way you increase the effect of epo by a factor of ten.

    SPIEGEL: Do you have any other secrets?

    Heredia: Oh yes, of course. There are tablets for the kidneys that block the metabolites of steroids, so when athletes give a urine sample, they don’t excrete the metabolites and thus test negative. Or there is an enzyme that slowly consumes proteins - epo has protein structures, and the enzyme thus ensures that the B sample of the doping test has a completely different value than the A sample. Then there are chemicals that you take a couple of hours before the race that prevent acidification in the muscles. Together with epo they are an absolute miracle. I’ve created 20 different drugs that are still undetectable for the doping testers.

    SPIEGEL: What trainers have you worked together with?

    Heredia: Particularly with Trevor Graham.

    SPIEGEL: Graham has a lifetime ban because he purportedly helped Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery, ****** Gatlin and many others to cheat. Who else?

    Heredia: With Winthrop Graham, his cousin. With John Smith, Maurice Greene’s coach. With Raymond Stewart, the Jamaican. With Dennis Mitchell ...

    SPIEGEL: ... who won gold in the 4 x 100 meters in 1992 and today is a coach. How did the collaboration work?

    Heredia: It’s a small world. It gets around who can provide you with something how quickly and at what price, who is discreet. The coaches approached me and asked if I could help them, and I said: yes. Then they gave me money, $15,000 or thereabouts, we got a first shipment and then we did business. At some point it led to one-on-one cooperation with the athletes.

    SPIEGEL: Was there a regimen of sorts?

    Heredia: Yes. I always combined several things. For example, I had one substance called actovison that increased blood circulation – not detectable. That was good from a health standpoint and even better from a competitive standpoint. Then we had the growth factors IGF-1 and IGF-2. And epo. Epo increases the number of red blood cells and thus the transportation of oxygen, which is the key for every athlete: the athlete wants to recover quickly, keep the load at a constantly high level and achieve a constant performance.

    SPIEGEL: Once again: a constant performance at the world-class level is unthinkable without doping?

    Heredia: Correct. 400 meters in 44 seconds? Unthinkable. 71 meters with a discus? No way. You might be able to run 100 meters in 9.8 seconds once with a tailwind. But ten times a year under 10 seconds, in the rain or heat? Only with doping.
     
  5. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    For those who don't know this is what Guillermo Jones tested positive for against Lebedev after their fight, and again before what would have been their second fight.
     
  6. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    thanks man .:good
     
  7. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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  8. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    :good

    very, very interesting facts from the best man in the business. I'm curious to see if he knows/suspects what kind of peds might use the elite of boxing ?
     
  9. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    sick of hearing about PEDs

    made lance Armstrong a millionaire
     
  10. Jason777

    Jason777 Active Member Full Member

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    Idiot, don't click on the thread and read it then comment if it is so boring
     
  11. Jason777

    Jason777 Active Member Full Member

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    And Holyfield, it's a hot topic, but if not don't click on threads about it
     
  12. iceman71

    iceman71 WBC SILVER Champion Full Member

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    these threads are as lame as "street fighting" threads on this forum.
    and i will call out each one as i see it.
    now go fu.ck yourself you lame ass boxing fan wanna be
     
  13. Jason777

    Jason777 Active Member Full Member

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    Street fighting is not boxing, we are talking about boxing, fighters Health is an important topic. If you don't worry about a boxers health that's ok don't click on the threads.
     
  14. El-blanco

    El-blanco Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hungover, ice? Lol
     
  15. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    They are so complicated it makes me wonder how much the average Joe steroid user down the gym is harming their body.

    I've been pestered for years to go on the juice and train but I don't take advice from dumb ass gym goers and owners who more than likely no **** all about PED's!