Yes. I don't go as far back as you, but I go back a long ways, and it is strange that I have never heard this bad hand story before. The writer Norman Marcus certainly writes well and with an air of objectivity, but he is the fellow who had Louis hitting Buddy Baer in the back of the head after Baer turned to walk to the corner--something that is totally at odds with the film of that fight. There is no attribution here for any of the "facts" given. Without that, who knows? I would be interested if anyone has any more info about this bad hand story. Except for the flurry in the first which Louis turned around, and the punches after the bell in the second, Baer doesn't use his right often on the film. What is hard, and really impossible, to understand, is why Baer went through with the fight if his hand was that bad. After what Louis had done to Carnera, Baer had to know Louis would be really tough.
The bottom line is that we dont know how bad the hand was coming into the fight. I doubt that Baer would have agreed to fight Louis, unless he at least thought it would probably hold up. This was his ticket back to the title if he pulled it off. It might well be that the hand injury worked to Louiss advantage, but that still doesnt nullify the outcome of the fight. Its not like we can award the win to Baer.
In fairness to Hearns, he never cried about it. If I recall, the broken hand he suffered only came to light afterwards, and not via Tommy. He accepted defeat with no excuses, out of respect for Marvin. As to the thread title, meh. Baer never looked like a winner in that fight, not for a moment.
Joe Louis didnt use the fact that he broke his hand against Tommy Farr as an excuse either. To be fair, Max Baer qualified this as his excuse against Jimmy Braddock.
For the life of me I cant see the logic in his decision.:huh As far as I am aware there is no proof that Baer went into that fight with a broken hand ,though he did have a history of hand problems,fighting against Braddock with two bad maulies.
In his autobiography he said he would have stopped Farr if he hadn't injured his hand,he didn't break it I believe he sprained a finger. Sharkey broke a thumb against Jeffries would he have won otherwise? Probably not.
This was considered a career best win by Louis. So, without this fight on his resume. I think a case can be made for the no 5 ranking.... Pehaps I am being harsh. But his other great wins are against whom? His life and death struggles and sometimes defeats vs Walcott, Charles? Sure , amazing ATG , I rank him because of his 25 defenses, and time on top. But he did lose to Marciano and was beat by both Schmeling , and Charles, and most believe Walcott. Hell, a Lt Hvy was mastering him and almost whooped him ( Biily Conn) I am looking more and more at his resume, and it seems the more I look, the less I am impressed. I am getting more comfortable with lowering his rankings.. at least in my book. I would not argue if anyone still rated him top 3 though.... Just my opinion.
You are right. Emanuel Steward brought up the broken hand; I have no problem with Tommy at all, he was a noble warrior.
You might also be less than impressed by Ali nearly getting ko'd by Henry Cooper and losing to Norton and Frazier. Any fighter's record can be torn to shreds, if you try hard enough.
I brought up 2 links, not just Wiki. This is bombshell information if you ask me. Absolutely shocked this was the first time most here heard of this. I stumbled across the article and decided to bring it to classic. I must say, the information seems legit, and it sure looked like Baer was not able to throw his hands. Take it for what you will, but I believe the info to be true, and have to look at this win in that light. Ali, was incredible, you just cant look at his record and compare it to Louis. That's not Joes fault, he just had no challenger that made his name shine as bright as Ali. Joe gets his number 5 slot with me because of his longevity. He dominated lesser fighters and did better the 2nd time around with the greats. All of my 4 placed above him would beat him H2h, or be better than 50/50. So my rankings stand until this " broken hand" thing is debunked.