David Tua vs Joe Frazier

You are quick.

This is the undefeated Muhammad Ali over 15 rounds. The fastest, greatest Heavyweight of all-time. Not Hasim Rahman or Lennox Lewis who jabbed Tua's funny looking hair cut all over the place. If Lewis had any courage in that fight he would have tried to take Tua's head off and suceeded.

 

My point was, Ali landed plenty of punches as well. In fights between top class fighters you usually see both fighters missing a lot of punches, regardless of how good or bad their defensive skills are. It just doesn't happen that one fighter lands every punch even if his opponent is as poor defensively as, say, Max Baer or Micky Ward.

 

please get **** out of here, ****ing ignorant.... the defence of tua was his chin.. he had no ****ing move of head

 

He is aggressive, but not particularly quick on his feet and spends most of his time bobbing and weaving at mid-range than trying to outwork the opponent in close. His punch-rate is pretty low in some fights, swarmers usually go in in a do or die manner, while Tua is a bit mechanical in that he is using his defensive moves to avoid getting hit while staying in one place, not while trying to close the distance, or he is more often just jumping forward with a hook in hope to land rather than gradually and methodically cutting the ring and pressuring the opponent toward the ropes, leaving them no space to escape.

 

Yep, moving right along.

My point is that Tua is no where near the defensive fighter Frazier was. Getting bombed out by Foreman could have happened to anyone coming straight at him. Foreman is one of the top 10 greatest heavyweights of all time so there is no real shame in losing to him.

Tua, in the fight of his life came in fat with silly hair and got embarrased by Lewis. He almost did not even try. Now he is the iron-jaw Frazier destroyer because beat up on bum Ruiz and Michael Moorer (that sentence rhymed, ha!). Frazier beat-up on Ali and Foster by comparison. Tua was slow and overweight with really no head movement. Smoking Joe Fraizer would come in their and set the ring on fire immediately. Tua would have been wondering which way was up. the pace at which a prime Frazier sets is unreal and going at the body of lazy Tua would have been the game plan.

Frazier would have come right at him hooking and weaving and hooking at a pace that is a little different than what Chris Byrd brings to the table.

 

You are again pointing out that the glass is half empty, while it's half full as well. You can find plenty of examples of Frazier looking bad defensively and offensively, but your point is to favor him over Tua, so you pick bad examples for Tua and good examples for Frazier. It doesn't work that way. If you think that Foreman was seen as an ATG before and right after the 1st Frazier fight, think again. Or that he was thought an ATG during his whole first career. Or most of his second career. Tua destroyed Moorer much more convincingly than any version of Foreman could ever do, young or old. Will I use that argument as a proof that Tua was better than Foreman? I wouldn't. You probably would if you were trying to argue in favor of Tua, based on your arguments for Frazier in this above post.

 

it is based on your imgination and speculation.. it is not a fact... the version of george who faced moorer was too fat, old,slow and ponderous, a young foreman was a much faster starter more aggresive and would be another history.an early murder more than a lucky punch in the late rounds

 

It's a fact. Show me one example of *any version* of George Foreman destroying *any* opponent that quickly and convincingly?

 

Don't know who'd win, but the one thing i have noticed that Senya13 is the most biased writer on classic forum He usually criticises fighters he doesn't like and tries to make them look as bad as it's possible in fantasy fights.

 

Where exactly is there bias? I'm asking the people who think that Foreman could beat Moorer at least as convincingly as Tua did, to come up with any examples where he had done such thing in his career. To those who think it was an accident, watch the Ruiz fight, another very quick annihilation of past or future world heavyweight titlist. The point is it's no good to try to get into an open slugging war with Tua, it's more than likely that you won't even remember how the fight was stopped because you'd be unconscious.

 

Moorer from 2002 wasn't the Moorer from 94. Through 1997-2000 Moorer became alcoholic and didn't visit the gym. I easily can imagine Foreman from 1973-74 destroying 2002 version of Moorer in 30 seconds.

 

did louis ever fight frazier? ask ali was he easy to hit. ask chuvalo. chuvalo said frazier was harder to hit than ali.

 

Not only did Frazier make Ali miss with the fastest jab in heavyweight history, he made him pay - battering ali with massive left hooks to his head and body when he missed. Ali even says to this day Frazier was hard as **** to find and hit. Are you going to put words in ali's mouth now?