David Tua vs Joe Frazier

You studied math in school, didn't you? 2 minutes is 4 times longer than 30 seconds. Besides, had you actually watched the fight before replying, you'd know it wasn't as convincing as Tua's victory over Moorer, anyway. Foreman pushed Roman off balance with his hands, intentionally hit an opponent who was on the canvas, was swinging wildly while trying to finish Roman, missing probably two of three dozens of punches in the process, and in the end the totally incompetent referee continued the count at 5 after Foreman had finally gone to the neutral corner, instead of from count 1. It's only in your imagination that Foreman hit harder than Tua.

 

Moorer was well past it when he fought Tua

Koing a past his prime, glass jawed fighter doesnt make you quite the monster that you are trying to make Tua.

If Foreman (in his prime) fought a past it Moorer, a green Ruiz, bums like Oquendo and Izon and glass jawed Maskaev, im sure hed do a better job than Tua did.

If we really want to compare, we can post Tyson, Foreman and Tuas top ten wins and go from there to see who the genuinely hard punchers were

 

Where did Tuas amazing fast Ko of Moorer get him in his career? a whole load of nowhere.

Where did Foremans Kos (regardless of how long they took) get him?

Undefeated undisputed champion Joe Frazier and undefeated, undisputed champion Michael Moorer, decades apart, fell to the power of George Foreman

Foreman will be remember for what he did do, Tua will (vaguely) be remembered for what he didnt do (or couldnt do)

 

Well past it? He was only 34 years old, and had had 5 fights since his return. Now Moorer's a glass jawed fighter because he was knocked out only twice in his career by Foreman and Tua? Once again what world class opponents (at any point of their career) did Foreman ever KO in the 1st round? Just one name and I'll STFU.

 

What does it matter?

Foremans Ko reel is better than Tuas, because it actually has a set of good fighters on there.

Are you trying to tell me Tua is a bigger puncher than Foreman wholly because he was able to KO past it Moorer and Jonh Ruiz in the first round?

How abouts lets put it this way....could Tua, at the age of 40+ ko the undisputed champ? Foreman did it

Like i said before, lets look at the overall body of work by both men, then we get a better picture, not just who kod someone in one round.

Tyson/Foreman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tua, Briggs, Wilder etc

 

so according your stupid logic.. the guy who knock anybody out first is the harder puncher? ok..
tua could not ko chris byrd and ike stopped him.. based on your crappy logic ike did hit harder than tua...:nut frazier could not even hurt foreman and ali stopped foreman, do you think that ali did hit harder than frazier? sure. maskaev got stopped by tua in 11 rounds and kirk johnson(65%ko) stopped him in 4... according to you johnson did hit harder than tua.. your argument is pure trash.. it has to do more with styles, speed etc.. not hitting power only.. tyson stopped tons of guys much faster than tua or foreman.. because tyson was faster, more accurate and explosive.. however.. holyfield.. took shots from tyson,foreman,lewis,tua(sparring),bowe,bert cooper,michael moorer between other punchers and he said that foreman was the hardest puncher.. so your crap is based on your imagination.. what i said is supported by facts

 

Foreman's KO reel? I asked this question before and never got a reply from anyone. How many still fresh opponents (not beaten down gradually with lots of punches, or KD'ed repeatedly) did Foreman KO with one punch, that is on film? I counted 2 or 3 out of nearly 60 Foreman's fights that are available on video.

 

this all depends on opposition

Foreman fought at a higher level then Tua. When you fight at a higher level, your not going to Ko guys in one round.

Chuvalo, Ali, Frazier, Holyfield, Lyle, Norton, Cooney, Morrison, a PRIME Moorer, Briggs etc

Compare that to Lewis, Ibeabuchi, Byrd, Rahman, Oquendo, Izon, Ruiz and a PAST IT Moorer

 

And Mcall stopped him in one, Mcall also stopped Lewis too

Mcall chin+power = >>>>>> Tua

 

Where did I ever make claim to such logic? Never. I know from watching plenty of film of both fighters that Tua was KO-ing opponents faster and with fewer punches than Foreman on average, he had faster hands and better timing/accuracy than George, but Foreman's punches were heavier based on him being able to move or hurt opponents with blows that didn't look fast and where he didn't put the weight of his body behind them. So for me, Foreman was a heavier puncher, but Tua was a harder puncher.

 

Senya13, no, Foreman has never KO'd TOP-5 opponent in 1 round. I answered your question, yes?

Answer mine, please. Based on FACTS than Whitaker KO'd Maskaev COLD in 2 rds and stopped Ahunanya in 5 rds. And Tua TKO'd Maskaev in 11 rds, and went full 12 rds with Ahunanya - does it mean that Whitaker is clearly the harder hitter than Tua?

 

tua never knocked out moorer or ruiz with a single shot.. he was keeping hitting them once and again, i think that you are a bit blind..like i told you.. foreman was not an accurate puncher, he did not put even the body weight on his shots.. and still he did hurt guys with "crazy arm blows" and he did not need even hit clean to hurt people, however when tua stopped people it was when he did hit clean to the guys and he did put all his bodyweight in his shots. but when they(foreman and tua) did hit clean in the target with their best shots.. foreman was the harder puncher. i think that tyson scored much more knock downs by a single shot than tua

 

Foreman fought literally dozens of tomato cans who were never good at any point of their career. He fought only 11 opponents who were ranked by the Ring magazine, that's out of 81 fights. 70 fights against unranked opponents and only 2 or 3 1-punch KO's vs fresh ones?

 

:nut very logic