David Tua vs Joe Frazier

not during larry´s prime. norton did beat ali 2-3 times, foreman said that he did think that ali never did beat norton, and ali himself said that he got a gift of the judges. ken norton is a bigger name than david tua ever had in his list of victims.. it is a fact. period

 

Not during what?
Norton beat Ali just once, and even that only because of the problems with Ali's teeth. Foreman speaks a lot of BS, always did. Where did Ali say he received a gift? Newspaper, date, page, or author name, book, page? Exact quote?

 

just norton gave this hell of fight to prime holmes.(PRIME LARRY WAS 78-82) SPOON GAVE HIM THE HELL IN 1983
I think that it was posted before on this forum, i am not sure if it was senor pepe who posted that.. Ali knew that his decision over norton in the 3 fight was a gift

 

So because Witherspoon gave him a hard fight Holmes' prime was officially ended?

I won't believe it till I see exact quote from a trustworthy source.

 

Senya13, you are trying to discredit Foreman's power, Norton resume, etc.

I know you dislike 70's era, it's obvious, but just try to be more objective.

Tua has decent, but far from great, resume - past prime Moorer, Ruiz, Rahman, Oquendo, Maskaev, Izon. Prior to Ruiz fight Tua had 22 wins against complete no-hopers, so Tua's resume is also full of bums.

Foreman has better KO % than Tua and has better wins. Frazier*2, Norton, Ron Lyle, Gerry Cooney, Bert Cooper, Rodriguez, Qawi, Savarese, PRIME Moorer.

Foreman two times world champion, Tua failed to win the title.

So having better KO% against overall better opposition means what?

And, by the way, you literally said, that Tua beat Moorer more convincingly than Foreman ever could. Does that mean that KO1 win is more convincing than say KO2? If so, then why?

Just watch Foreman-Cooney and Foreman-Moorer and say please does Big George have one-punch KO power even in his 40's.

 

I don't dislike anybody, I'm just not impressed by all the hype that era received.
Tua's overall resume has nothing to do with anything I argued about. Foreman's resume is far from great as well, just decent, when compared to real ATG non-heavyweight fighters. Harry Greb alone in 1 year had done greater things than Foreman during two careers.
Cooper, Rodriguez, Qawi, Savarese were unranked at the time Foreman fought them.
Prime Moorer to me was at lhw. Regardless, as I showed with Ali-Shavers comparison, that argument means little, Ali stopped better names than Shavers, so what?
I'm not comparing Foreman's and Tua's greatness.
I said Foreman couldn't beat Moorer as convincingly as Tua, extremely quickly and with few punches wasted. Foreman's record proves me right.

 

Ruiz, Maskaev and Izon were unranked too at the time of Tua fights.

And does that mean that Tua beats Frazier MORE convincingly than Foreman (by KO in 1 round)? If Maskaev slow as hell with glass jaw could last 11 rds, does Frazier have a chance too? Think about it.

 

This result of this poll is ludicrous. One guy was a bona fide champion in a era of great heavyweights and the other is a contender who never made it to the championship.
The only chance that Tua would have had is to land the equalizer and this would have been easier said than done against prime Frazier.

 

Me and Heavyhandss have been trying to convey this to him for a while.

He constantly ridicules Foremans resume, achievements and power while at the same time ignoring the fact that Tua never beat anyone particularly that good, except a washed up Moorer.

 

Foreman KO'ed Moorer when he was 45 years old.

Seriously, why are we talking about Tua's win being more impressive. Lets put Tua at 45in the ring with that Moorer and see if he KO's him in 1 round. Or better yet, lets put Young Foreman in the ring with the same Moorer and see how far Moorer gets.

George's second career is as impressive as Tua entire career period. Add on his first career and we have no point of this discussion.

 

I pretty much said the same thing earlier on :good

 

Yep...I have been checking out the convo. You guys are on point. I just wanted to back-up those same sentiments. Thanks for putting out there.

 

i would say that moorer would killa 45 years old tua... Well said