Is Roy Jones the P4P GOAT?

Burning more fat and rehydrating to a higher weight do not correspond to one another.

 

I responded to all of the **** you posted.

Let the cum get out of your ass then maybe you get to a conclusion you should not have argued against your superiors.

 

Voted no

 

The problem with Roy Jones is that he did not take up the big challenges. He always was acting more like a business man. Just to give you some examples:

Did not fight Michalchewski, Jirov, Hopkins (prime), a Toney rematch, or any other TOP heavyweight.

- Ruiz was a risky fight but still somewhat calculated cause Ruiz was so damned limited.
- Toney wanted to rematch Jones for whole career claiming that he was weight drained, but still Jones did want to risk his 1st victory.
- When Jones and Hopkins were pound for pound No1 and No2, Jones showed no interest in fighting him
- Michalchewski was Jones Nemesis at lightheavyweight for years with a record of 49-0, yet Jones wanted no part of him.
- Jirov and Jones was always made,then Jones backed out at the last moment




Still Jones is a TOP20 ATG in my book.

 

Toney wanted a rematch so much that he lost the first bout with Griffin and climbed up to heavyweight (while Jones was still a 168-pounder). After Jones had won the title at 175 lbs and Toney decided to train a little and cut down some weight, Jones didn't want to fight him so badly, that he somehow ended up agreeing to a satellite linkup Pensacola-Nevada to do a commentary for Toney's rematch with Griffin, including a pre- and post-fight commentary, Griffin was given the decision. After that Toney loses to Thadzi and there is no talk of a rematch between the two until after Toney wins over Jirov (Jones by that time had won the WBA heavyweight title). Ie, from 1995 until 2003 Toney failed every chance he was given to do something to earn a rematch.

 

Jones could have fought Toney after Ruiz to be a 5 division world champion, instead he fought Tarver and the rest is history

 

I'm sure there are more than 20 fighters with resumes better than Jones

 

Neither Hopkins or Toney are top 20 ATG's

 

Silly question.

History will judge Jones harshly – and rightly so.

His career had some high points - such as comfortably taking James Toney's soul, defeating Montell Griffin inside a round after previously disgracing himself, and a number of spectactacle performances against opponents ranging from B to D level.

However, given his talent and his claims of being the best boxer on the planet for so long, his career was a huge, tedious disappointment which left more questions than answers - not to mention controversy.

Cherrypicking Ducker

Jones was without a doubt the biggest cherrypicking ducker of his generation. He collected a bunch of trinkets yet inexplicably never boxed a Lineal champion or power puncher, and was never 'the man', in any weight division he campaigned in. Whether pricing himself out, low-balling, or flat out rejecting big fight offers, Jones blatantly avoided a series of rivals throughout his whole prime – most notably Dariusz Michalczewski.

Let's be honest - realistically, with his cushy soft HBO contracts, Jones could've made any of the big fights happen which didn't materialize - yet chose not to. The recurring pattern of cherrypicking and “failed” negotiations throughout Jones' prime proved beyond any doubt what his true intentions were; the path of least resistance (confirmed by Seth Abraham), and anyone who argues otherwise is just deluding themselves.

Faux Champion

Backed by the dishonest comic The Ring and HBO, Jones was a completely spurious “undisputed champion” at 175lbs who repeatedly hid behind his lame “mandatory challengers” excuse to justify boxing a series of public service employees whilst ducking the real champion for over 5 years. It was an embarrassing transparent lie which a damn child could see through. Jones was never anything more than a trinket holder @175 who benefited massively from the corruption of the governing bodies. His meaningless abc straps had no credibility whatsoever. FACT.

Couldn't draw flies

As manager and promoter, the Jones camp were atrocious - despite HBO's backing. His PPVs bombed spectactaclly. Completely unreliable when it came to promotion, and useless unreasonable negotiators. 90/10 purse splits? LOL. His antics lead to the WBC almost being put out of business. Obviously this is all tied to his ducking.

Reluctant Roy's tedious diva act made him an ATG bore, resulting in the Roycott. He needed Arum or King to turn him into a big draw – though that would've meant taking the dangerous fights and accepting reasonable purse splits.

It gets worse...

Steroids Cheat

This all but destroyed his credibility. Caught abusing steroids – criminally brushed under the carpet by the boxing authorities in 2001 until a former opponent later exposed the scandal – which puts puts an asterix next to Jones' whole career. Remember, the 1988 U.S. Olympic team were notorious steroid cheats – it isn't too far fetched to suggest Jones was already using steroids back then.

Glass Jaw

Most telling of all, Jones undeniably harboured a weak chin, which could have been permanently shattered by any of the big punchers he ducked - mostly likely McClellan in 93-94. In hindsight it's obvious why he avoided his most dangerous rivals .

Pound-for-pound nonsense

Jones was never consistently rated the “P4P #1” either. That's just a myth which gets mindlessly parroted around by his ******ed fanclub and always used as an excuse for his behavior.

Douchebag

It's good that these forums have further exposed Jones for what he really was. Outside of boxing he's a weirdo who gets off on dog & c*ck fighting, and a **** corny rapper who's still embarrassing himself in that regard in his mid 40s. Jones' latest new low; nude “selfies” and cringeworthy “s*xts” being posted online by his trans*xual mistress - who also exposed Roid's passion for watersports. What a ******. TRAGIC!!

When Jones finally did get some humility knocked into him via his glass jaw being shattered, his attitude bizarrely took a complete U-turn, with Jones suddenly willing to be KTFO for chump change against allcomers, on any continent - thus becoming a huge laughing stock. Brutal.

The controversy and questions will completely overshadow Jones' reputation forever. Ultimately, the “legacy” Jones left, if you can call it that, was everything that's wrong with professional boxing.

 

You keep helping me owning you by showcasing your casual fan lack of knowledge with added ignorance.

Regarding Langford I used to think he was the GOAT, until I learned that he fixed fights too and I believe he had far more fixed fights than most here will ever know.

Hearns and Leonard, especially Leonard were mainly manufactured entertainers. They were good, but not close to the consensus about them.
There were more than a dozen better fighters than both of them during their era. Why you disagree? because you do not know how to measure quality of a fighter and because your casual fan knowledge does not cover those not so obscure fighters.

 

When did FrankenWank learn how to structure halfway coherent posts?


Guess those weekend remedial classes have been paying off. :good

 

I thought you were making that up. I just did a google search:---(

 

Roy Jones
Notable wins: Toney(prime), Tarver(prime), Hopkins(green), Ruiz
Notable losses: Tarver x2, Johnson, Calzaghe

I can't see how beating Byrd would of elevated him to the top 10 bracket. He is a hofer and a ATG., that is a amazing accomplishment for any fighter