Is Roy Jones the P4P GOAT?

No.
When a fighter has question marks, like Roy did after his fight with Hall, how can you consider them?

 

You've repeatedly claimed that Roy didn't lose any muscle, Tarver was more drained, and Roy was the fresher guy.

It's laughable.

 

Why do you keep repeating the above nonsense?

 

:good

 

He didn't want to fight him.

He felt he'd got nothing to prove.

He was looking to fight Holyfield, until Murad and King got too greedy.

That's why we saw Toney vs Holyfield instead of Roy vs Holyfield.

 

Why have you never mentioned any of this before?

 

The same Jones who wanted to have a rematch with Woods and Griffin III?

Your putting the blame on Murad and King, but not on Jones? You should go and read about the terms for Jones's fights with Ruiz and Tarver

For the record Jones was never in a position to defend the WBA belt against Holyfield, he had to make a mandatory defence first.

Not really true.

Toney has always been willing to give his opponents a decent percentage of the purse, the same cannot be said for Jones.

 

Tarver was more drained and Roy was the fresher guy.
If Roy "lost any muscle", he lost far less than you and Senya13 claim.
Your frequent ignoring of my replies is worse than laughable.

Also:
Burning more fat and rehydrating to a higher weight do not correspond to one another.

 

Jones did not lose much muscle for the fight with Tarver. His problem was that he did not rehydrate properly after the weigh in

 

One of best all time, but Not even the greatest of his era. Don't think he would have ever beat the Welshmen.

 

This comes as no surprise given his "relationship" with Smoke Gainer.

 

general zod,

Good to see you back.

Yes.

It was Roy's prerogative who he fought.

We both know that he never really wanted a Toney rematch.

From Roy's point of view, the weight issue was exaggerated, and he'd beaten an undefeated, 26 year old version of Toney.

He gives himself lots of credit for the win.

You might not agree, but that's how he feels.

I've seen countless interviews where he's talked about it.

By the time 2003 came round, he wasn't at all interested. He wasn't bothered about the CW division.


With regards him wanting a rematch with Woods, that was at a completely different stage of his career, where is circumstances had changed.

He was nearly 40 at that point, and he was looking to rebuild his career, and was open to fighting Woods for his belt, if he beat Tarver.

Roy has to take responsibility for bringing in Murad and dealing with King.

I've read excerpts from the book of Evander's former attorney, Jim Thomas.

It's titled - The Holyfield Way: what I learned about courage, perseverance, and the bizarre world of boxing.

I'm going to order it.

You'd definitely enjoy it, it goes into the specifics of all of the behind the scenes negotiations, including the upside of the PPV's etc. It also details what happened in private meetings, and letters that were sent to King, after both Thomas and King had argued through the press.

It's very interesting.

From reading the excerpts, Murad and King in all likelihood would have made more money than what Evander would have made.

Evander was so angry, that he fought Toney for less money, and with no title at stake, just out of principle.

The WBA title would have been at stake for the fight.

True, we know that Roy has a huge ego.

But their circumstances were also different.

Roy was recognised as the best fighter in the world for almost ten years.

 

Frank,

You are laughable.

There's no point in debating any further.

This will be my last response to you.

So let's just look at what you've typed, one final time.


Roy never fought at 154 pounds.

He scammed Griffin.

The Ruiz fight could have gone either way.

The Ruiz win wasn't a real win.

Toney was weak as cancer.

Half of Roy's fights shouldn't have counted.

Even though Roy had turned pro in 1989, and had fought 50 times, he was fresher than Tarver, who hadn't turned pro until 28, and who'd only fought 23 times.

Tarver's amateur fights should be taken into account, even though half of Roy's pro fights shouldn't be.

Roy didn't lose a single pound of muscle, and he simply dehydrated himself from 190 plus, down to 175 to make weight.

Ray Leonard, Floyd Mayweather, Lennox Lewis and Tommy Hearns weren't great fighters.

Leonard was a fraud.

Roy ducked everyone at HW.


Ha!


Bye Frank. :hi:

 

Frank is claiming that Roy didn't lose ANY muscle at all.

I've read the Thomas Hauser article that you posted numerous times.

But you can't just put his performance down to that.

Are you suggesting that had he rehydrated properly, that in your opinion, he wouldn't still have been exhausted in the last third of the fight?

I don't but it.

Again, we've seen what happened with Dawson, Byrd and Tarver.

 

Which Welshman?

Joe Calzaghe?

Easy work for Roy in his 20's.