One punch power: Marciano vs Tyson

Lamar Clark - 91.3%, with 28 1st round KO's, 10 2nd round KO's, 1 3rd roound, 3 4th round KO's. Totally meaningless stats.

 

And why are they meaningless stats, both were heavyweight champions fighting the best of their times!

 

Yes James' chin was proven at super middleweight and cruiserweight. He never fought all the big heavyweight bangers Lewis did. If he did, he would have been sparked at some point. His resume at heavyweight is quite bare.

If you notice, Toney defence is what got him through fights, not his chin. First he rarely got hit cleanly and when he did he would roll with the punches to take much of the concussive force out of them, Duran was also very good at this. I know you dislike Lewis but his chin was proven at the highest level against the biggest punchers at HW.

 

The point is KO percentage can be misleading. You can find fighters who had only several fights with a 100% KO ratio, does that mean they were the best punchers and finishers of all time?
Marciano may have fought the best of his time, but I believe Tyson fought more than 11 top10-ranked opponents.

 

Now that's being silly though, we are not talking about journeymen we are talking about champions. IMO Marciano had more one punch power, conceding that much weight to Tyson makes his power all the more incredible.

 

I get what you are saying but it works both ways dosnt it? In title fights marciano only fought men who could still beat rated fighters. And he knocked them all out.

If you are good enough you are old enough. Those guys marciano fought for the title alll proved they were good enough because they beat rated fighters in their latest possible fight.

It has to count for something dosnt it?

Not three years and several fights earlier. Not before they retired. In their last fight.

So many men prime Tyson knocked out could not or had not defeated relevent contenders for several years.

TYsons record against chalengers who had beat relevent contenders in their previous fight clearly had better form going into their fight with Tyson than the ones who had not operated at that level for a long time or if at all. As a consequence his results was mostly less sensational against them. Douglas, Tucker, Smith and WIlliams. This was not the case with Marciano.

There is a good case that Ezzard Charles, Walcott and Moore were better than Tucker, Douglas and bones Smith whom Tyson could not knock out.

 

Like I said, KO ratio can be misleading. You can find great hard-hitting punchers who had a KO ratio that was only slightly above mediocre. Bob Satterfield who has been mentioned only had a 44.3% KO ratio, but he was obviously a better puncher than lots and lots of those who have better KO ratio than his.

 

Never mind percentages, just look at the films and fighters in question. The answer is pretty straightforward - Tyson is the bigger puncher.

A fight I would sight would be Marciano Vs Don ****all - how many shots did Macriano land before the fight was stopped - I don't see any man taking that many clean shots from Tyson - not a chance.

Marciano was a heavy puncher with great stamina to boot, hence his high KO percentage, he'd grind his opponents down. Tyson had genuine concussive power.

 

Tyson 's record against rated contenders is outstanding.

Again Smith just fought to survive.
The Douglas that beat Tyson would have given a prime Marciano all the grief he wanted imo. I would pick him to the versions of Moore,Walcott,and Charles that Rocky beat.

 

"I hit him harder than I have ever hit anyone.My best shots did not seem to affect him."Marciano talking about ****ell ,who was stopped by middleweight Randy Turpin,lhvy Jimy Slade and 2 other middles.

 

Right. But how is TYsons record against contenders who had beat recognised contenders in their last fight?

 

Ike Williams had a38.38ko% yet he was a big hitter.Joe Choynski's ko ratio was 46%. But then again, you are trying to convince a fool.

 

I'm picking him on the basis of that performance versus them in their title challenges to Marciano that's pretty simple is it not?

 

Ok, that's your choice, but what do you make of TYsons form against opponents who DID beat rated contenders in their previous fight?

How come Tyson did not knock out so many of that selection and Rocky did?

 

His 1st few losses all came after the 8th Buster LKO by 10, Evander LKO by 11,LL KO by 8 then as he got older he fizzled quicker Ko By Danny Williams in 4 and McBride in 6 but he did not have late power