One punch power: Marciano vs Tyson

My point is people try and claim that Marciano didn't hit as hard as Tyson because he didn't fight bigger opponents, Tyson wasn't exactly knocking fighters under 200lb out cold so that proves nothing.

Marciano would have knocked any fighter Tyson did if he landed a clean shot.

 

They must have done a wonderful job on Lastarza because 6 months later he was fighting ****ell at the Royal Albert Hall.:huh

 

Archie Moore beat valdes and Olson in back to back fights within a short space of time. #1 heavyweight contender and the middleweight champ in a light heavy defence. His latest heavyweight fight WAS against a #1 contender and it was only Four months before challenging Rocky ....not two or three years earlier like Bruno, Holmes, Thomas and Tubbs when they challenged Tyson in his prime.

Wallace and Satterfeild were rated. Charles beat them weeks apart. It's not like he had not beat rated fighters for years.

Lastarza was rated when Don beat him too.

Marciano was beating men with curent form. They beat good fighters and earned their rating.

 

You made the statement :

" They all came into fights with Marciano beating a rated guy in their previous fight."
It was wrong and I corrected you, 3 of his 5 challengers came in having fought an unranked opponent in their last fight.

Satterfield was NOT rated. ****ell's previous fight was with Mathews, again unrated .
Now have the good grace to admit it.atsch

 

The bolded part...yes, it is a perfectly reasonable benchmark, don't you think? As a rule of thumb, the bigger the man the harder he is to knock out. I'm sure Rocky could have flattened any 150-pounder in history, but any 250-pounder? Different proposition, simply because one guy is bigger than the other.

Tyson was steamrolling the smaller guys...which small guy did well against him? I can't think of one. IF there was such a man, he was still weighing 200+ pounds. In other words, still bigger than the majority of guys Marciano fought.

Rocky could whack, I've never seen anyone claim otherwise. That right hand that flattened Walcott is the stuff of nightmares. However, from any logical perspective I can't see him hitting quite as hard as Tyson.

 

Tyson's is surely more powerful, they gave Rocky's a name though.
Tyson's right that dropped Holmes was beautiful as well.

 

There's plenty of fighters Tyson couldn't put away either, Jose Ribalta was only 211lb and kept getting up from Tyson's best shots.

Which smalllish quality fighters did Tyson actually fight on his route to becoming champion?

I don't agree with size being a big factor in punch resistance, you're either born with a good chin or not, history as shown this to be true.

Tyson knocked a lot of opponents by surprising them with shots they didn't see coming, I can believe Marciano being the heavier handed of the pair.

 

ok I will admit it. Only two of the five championship opponenets had beat rated contenders in their previous fight, the other three beat rated contenders within months of challenging marciano.:good

sounds a whole lot better than half of prime Tysons challengers not beating a rated opponent for two or three years...

 

What sounds better isnt the point ,you made the statement ,I didn't.

Your'e wrong on some of Tyson's challengers too.

Thomas had fought Berbick for the WBC title a year earlier.

Tucker had fought Douglas for the vacant IBF title in his last fight.

Tubbs had fought Witherspoon for the WBA title 2years earlier.

Williams had beaten Berbick for the USBA title a year earlier.

So not "two or three years",apart from Tubbs [2years,] those opponents fought rated men only a year earlier.

But props for admitting you were wrong.
It isn't as common here as one might imagine.:good

 

and lost. Remember I said "beat"

always said Tucker was good. He is in the 50% who had beat relevent opponent's recently.

and lost. Remember I said "beat"

always said Williams was good. He is in the 50% who had beat relevent opponent's recently.

The statement was "they had not BEAT rated fighters for two to three years" not "they had not FOUGHT a rated fighter for two to three years". The last rated guys Thomas Holmes, Tubbs and Bruno fought beat them. It was two to three years since they had beat world class opponents. Spinks too.

thanks. Hope you will return the complement. :good

 

I pick Tyson.

Mike Tyson beats everyone Rocky defeated and probably scores more knockouts against them than Rocky did. Tyson would even be the bigger guy in nearly all those fights, too.

Rocky doesn't beat everyone Tyson defeated and probably doesn't score as many knockouts as Tyson did, either. Rocky was too slow.

It wasn't just Tyson's power, it was his speed that overwhelmed bigger opponents, too. When Tyson lost his speed, that's when he started losing more. Rocky was always slow.

If you had great power, you could get by being short and slow in Rocky's era (because people weren't that much bigger than you anyway).

Short and slow didn't cut it in Tyson's era.

 

Always willing to admit when I'm wrong.:good
I've had a lot of practise.

 

So effectively what you're saying is that there are no need for weight divisions, since size is not a factor (or much of one) in determining punch resistance.
A light-heavy can then take a punch as well as a heavyweight?
Okay, whatever.

To usse Ribalta as an example is doing you no favours. Ribalta was larger than virtually all of Rocky's opponents, standing 6'5" and weighing 211. Tyson knocked him down multiple times and stopped him.
Rocky needed only one round less to stop Don C.
Sub-200 pounder Charles lasted the distance, and Charles did not fight a defensive fight.

Your entire argument is based off a leap of faith and wishful thinking. Tyson proved time and again he could KO large heavies weighing 220 or more, and standing 6'3" or more.
Rocky never did that, because his opponents were essentially in a different weight class.
To say that he could (and do it consistently) is pure speculation and nothing else.

 

Ever boxed?

Ever try out fighters outside your weight class?

 

En route to gaining the undisputed Tyson obliterated a Hall of Fame smaller Mike Spinks who, to my knowledge, had never been down.