One punch power: Marciano vs Tyson

Thanks. Me too. If we were always right we would win all our bets. Proberbly why I don't gamble so much.:good

 

And Spinks was still substantially bigger than any of Marciano's title challengers.

 

Yeah I'm willing to bet there is light-heavyweights that can take a better punch than some heavyweights. Chin resistance isn't the reason why there's different weight classes, strength as more to do with it. If what you say is true then why isn't there a super-heavyweight division?

Stating Ribalta was 6'5" doesn't prove nothing, since when as height got to do with punch resistance? Ribalta was knocked down yes but he kept getting up for more and the stoppage was unjust after such a galant performance. Who's to say ****ell wasn't just plain tougher than Ribalta? Neither me or you know the answer so we're both basically speculating.

 

Yeah I have actually, seeing as though I'm 215lb there's only one weight class I'd be in.

 

Yup, spinks was artificially bigger.

 

For a smaller guy to beat a bigger guy he has to be a lot better and work a lot harder than the bigger guy. This is why it dosnt often happen. It is possible though.

A knockout punch is still a knock out punch but a bigger man can bully a smaller puncher around and restrict the smaller guys leverage. Sharpness and timing can compensate for weight of punch to an extent so providing the ability and tactics of the smaller guy is greater than the larger guy he can overcome size. To an extent.

Micky Walker said heavyweights were stronger but did not hit him no harder in general than the middleweights did. I think he's referring to sharpness of punch, maybe in his experiences the bigger guys being slower, generally allowed him to anticipate more of what was coming his way, preventing him from experiencing full weight of a clean punch from most big dudes. Where as the extra speed of faster guys prevented him anticipating quite so much.

So far as Tyson and Marciano go they are simular guys with one being heavier. Same weight class but unusually the heavier one is the sharper puncher. They're both accurate and hit about as hard as it is possible to hit some one.

 

Walker did attribute it to heavyweights comparable lack of speed to middles.

 

Really, Max Schmeling almost killed him and Max was a 190 pound guy .. Imagine if he fought Liston ?

 

One is proven to be so and the other is not .. One guy fought top super heavyweights and the other fought lower tier and old guys who were small .. it's a ridiculous debate really .. how long would Don ****ell , Roland LaStarza lasted against Tyson ? Please get real.

 

What's that got to do with the price of bacon??

Joe Louis couldn't knock out a jumped up light-heavyweight in Tommy Farr but demolished the man mountain Primo Carnera, we can all make points to suit our agendas.

 

Marciano fought one challenger over 200lbs.
Don ****ell, a career lightheavyweight until he contracted glandular fever in 1952 which messed up his metabolism.

****ell carried 25pounds of surplus suet into the ring when he fought Marciano,yet still went into the 9th round.

****ell's heavyweight credentials are very slender. And he was shorter than Marciano, 5'10", not 5'11" as Box rec lists him I met him when he was a paint rep.Very nice man.

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Marciano displays his" hit em on the floor punch," in the link below .

Take a look at ****ell's six pack.

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I gotta say ****ell also carried artificial weight too. However, Spinks heavyweight credentials are likewise slender. Old Holmes and two unrated gimmies.

 

Going by your theory the 25lb of suet most certainly upped Dons punch resistance the night he fought Marciano.

Tell me again what as height got to do with how well a man can take a punch?

 

Spinks beat an unbeaten ATG heavyweight twice. ****ell beat an
overhyped Mathews who was built up on stiffs, and a faded Lastarza whose own credentials are very slender.

****ell carried 25lbs of flab.
Spinks 25lbs of muscle.
See the difference?

Spinks at 6'2.5" could carry 212lbs very well, and he did.

There is zero evidence that his weight gain was anything but the product of Macky Shilstone's training programme and sheer hard work.

 

I think Marciano was closer to 5'9" as his latest biographer has stated(with surprise). Here he is with 6' 3/4" Dempsey,At this age I wouldn't be surprised if Jack shrunk 1/2" or so as well. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c49/IrishInsomniac00/Rocky%20Marciano/post-3-1127748724.jpg