How would M. Spinks have done against Dempsey's and Marciano's Challengers ?

No one has given me an argument on how michael spinks will defeat jersey joe walcott.

 

I don’t want to take anything away from Spinks, he is one of the greatest light heavyweights of all time, but I think that some people are in positively indecent haste to favour him over the opposition of Dempsey and Marciano.

He was a small light heavyweight, basically a super middleweight in today’s money.

His heavyweight resume is thin, and worse inconclusive.

It would be a bit of a stretch to favour him over those guys individually, and even if you arrived at that position, he almost certainly wouldn’t beat all of them, when you take circumstances into account.

 

Ringworn? No legs?

Moore's record leading up to the Marciano fight was 45-1 in his last 46 fights. After the Marciano fight, Moore would go 37-3 the rest of his career while reigning as champion during that time. Sorry, you lost this argument.

Bottom line, Moore was a better fighter when he was knocking out harold johnson in 1954, than when he was getting knocked out in 1 round by leonard morrow and losing to henry hall in 1948

 

That makes sense janitor. Except AS a HW, Spinks was bigger than most of the opposition Marciano & Dempsey fought. Height, weight, muscular weight....Though yes, somewhat unproven against his era Big Boys, & cannot be expected to sweep all the oldsters.

 

1. I think depending on the right stylistic matchup and the less of a gap in size, the june 1954 charles could be severely problematic for certain greats. I think the ones you mentioned would definitely best Charles, but I've seen lesser fighters than Charles trouble all of those men.

2. Charles was a lot more skilled on the inside than Ellis. He would have survived longer. He would have connected flush on Frazier with counter right uppercuts, unlike the clueless jimmy ellis. Frazier takes it, but Charles makes him work.

 

That's because Spinks took steroids. Should we give him a pass for cheating? No one puts on 30lb of lean muscle in a few months unless they are roiding.

 

I'm quoting Moore himself when I say he had no legs .
Suze ,who should I believe ,you or him?
By 1948 Moore had beaten
Bivinsx2
Chase x2
Marshall
Sheppard x2
Williams
Cocoa Kidx2
Bolden
Richards x2
Lytell
According to him in 1948 he was 32 ,his Mother said 34.
Do you think his skills improved after that?

 

I am very against cheating & drugs/PEDs, but where did you hear Spinks too HGH or anything else anytime in his career? It is only fair to have good evdience to accuse someone of that.

Now I see your recent post. I have lifted for many years & read much about PEDS & training.
Of course nobody puts on 30 lbs. of muscle in even many months (not counting those who were emnaciated or starving &/or growing adolescents, even that is a stretch). But WHERE do you get that he put on that much muscle in that time frame? Please show me specifics.

Recall that he must have been weight drained to make LHW before he bulked up, so you need to use his walking around weight. Also if someone is "bulked" with food, at that size they can have up to 10 lbs. of weight merely in food in various stages of digestion from eating much more & more frequently.

Someone actually adding 30 lbs of skeletal muscle-not water, fat or food-would be an absolutely massive transformation of physique.
Here are models of potential pure muscle gain for an untrained individual. The 1st one is up to 20-25 lbs. a year, & that is the most optimistic model you will find of what is possible. [url]http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html[/url]

Show me where Spinks gained 30 lbs. of muscle within....WHAT time period exactly?

 

You need proof to make that charge stick.
Otherwise its just speculation.

 

Archie had no reason to lie, he started out young and lied about his age, His real mother gave him up shortly after he was born and he was raised by an Aunt so his mother may not have remembered him to well because she gave up her other siblings as well. He was capable beating the top lightheavys and Heavyweights of the day

Suzie's right he was 45-1 in his last 46 fights leading to Marciano and he avenged the disputed loss by KO

 

You should believe your eyes not Archie.

Archie said all sorts of things that did not add up. Lots of fantastical patter to sell a fight or promote himself. Special aboriginal "witch doctor diets", the whole "long count story" he exaggerated with Marciano and a whole load of mumbo jumbo he came out with in his book about Kessler the millionaire referee. You cant blame Archie. He was a great showman. But you are better off trusting your own eyes.

This obsession with Archie Moore, walcott and Ezzard Charles all having bad legs has to stop.

Fighters with bad legs don't beat rated contenders and world champions in recent fights.

 

Where is the evidence Charles legs were going before he fought marciano?

Charles was 24 when he came out of the army and that's when his career started over properly. You can add the fights he had as a high school kid when he was 18-21 year old before the war to make it sound like Ezzard had a huge amount of fights but the three year gap from 21 year old to 24 preserved Charles for his heavyweight career. It allowed Charles to recover from that earlier career. since he had been absent from professional boxing for as Long as he had been in it Ezzard was starting with a clean slate after the war. The kid fought for three years then was out for three years. He finished growing and came back only 24 years old. Refreshed.

 

Well said, there are certain Marciano haters that can not give his opponents proper's for whatever reason, who knows why

 

Charles looks pretty on point to me in his 2 fights before Marciano and remember Bob This was in between Satterfield KO 1 of Bob Baker and KO 3 of Cleveland Big Cat Williams

We know Charles looked great in his 1 st fight with Marciano and Ezzard when fit and ready could fight on the inside and on the outside. He looks imposing enough for me see below

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjFq5aOYYJM[/url]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Je9fncDgI-s[/url]