Serious question about PED use in boxing?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Super Hans, Aug 22, 2014.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Correct.

    At the top level, minus a couple sports entirely, literally ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ATHLETE is on some sort of banned PED.
     
  2. Overhill

    Overhill Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wasn't the point.
    Boxing is dirtier than cycling and from earlier point of career.

    Why not?
     
  3. Meffus

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    I don't see how you could ever combat the use of PEDs in sport. The use of drugs has almost become synonymous with Sports and modern athletes. It has been built on that foundation. And I also agree that it's a different matter from someone who runs the 100m sprint taking PEDs and boxing (or any combat sport), but the people who are in the positions to take action against this sort of thing are the people who benefit from it the most. The better an athlete performs, the more people pay attention, the more sponsors take note, the more viewers and coverage that sport gets, the more money people involved in that sport get. And at the end of the day it's all about the money.
     
  4. Super Hans

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    You are off your tits if you think they are all at it. Why for example did Kell Brook request testing for the Porter fight, and allowed his opponents to select the drug testing agency they used on the day of the fight, and complained about being tested so few times?

    It's more common in different cultures. In the UK drug cheats are hung, drawn and quartered in the UK. Footballer Rio Ferdiand got an 8 month ban for mearly turning up late for a test for example.
     
  5. Super Hans

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    I suppose everyone is but Mayweather is ONE OF THE VERY FEW ATHLETES in your book who is completely innocent right? :tired
     
  6. Rock0052

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    :good

    How much motivation do those who gain from PED use really have to police themselves?

    Also, how can testing ever overcome the first-mover advantage that PED chemists have? You can't even know what to develop the test for, let alone create a practical one, until the substance is popular enough for you to get wind of it.
     
  7. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I don't know what he puts in his body. I don't pretend to.

    But being the first athlete in the history of Earth, any sport, to pay for and volunteer himself for additional blood testing sure does make him less suspicious than anyone else...

    Other then perhaps Nonito Donaire, who took it a step further. He became the first athlete in the history of the Earth to pay for and volunteer himself for additional blood testing 24/7/365 even when not in training. So, perhaps that makes him even less suspicious than Mayweather, but he would be the only one who is on those neutral, non-bias grounds. (although, Donaire has since ended his 24/7/365 testing agreement and now only subjects to additional tests when in training)
     
  8. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Good post.

    We the consuming public (not in the business itself) won't know what most of these guys are currently taking for probably another decade. By the time those tests become efficient and finally mandated after years of delay, they will be on to the next...
     
  9. Super Hans

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    So why accept only one drug testing agency and one drug testing agency only. Mayweather could well know that his choice drug testing agency don't test for PED's he is.

    For a man who beats woman, to do something as underhanded as that would not be a shock at all.
     
  10. Nonito Smoak

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    Obviously.

    It's the same for why "who is doing the testing" was such a big story during the Wladimir vs. Povetkin build up.

    It's the same for why "lets do testing" claims by Pascal and Edwin to Hopkins and Ward, respectively, were controversial as they were made after the contracts were signed and both of the "accused" parties refused to oblige.

    It's the same reason why Pacquiao had long said that he would never do testing outside of the commission, and then said he would require all of his opponents to test from now on using VADA because his team long claimed that USADA was a corrupt outfit, and then after using VADA for one fight against Rios claimed they were unhappy and used for the Bradley rematch a joint USADA-NSAC specialized and approved program (USADA has no approved labs in the Philippines, so testing couldn't begin for Pac until he reached the US) while Bradley was getting the full VADA testing treatment.

    It's all sketchy "dot your I's and cross your T's" sort of stuff when it comes to ensuring testing won't backfire on you.
     
  11. Green Man

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    The key words are"pays for it".

    If they are being paid for it they have more reasons to hide a possible positive test dont they? why kill the cash cow when they can keep the money flowing by letting him get away with it(if hes on something ).

    And nobody and i mean nobody in sports get more tested than cyclists and many still get away with cheating so just cause your idol pays for being tested during a short period of time doesnt mean he isnt or hasnt cheat. IMO hes just as suspicious as any other top athlete no more no less.
     
  12. Overhill

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    You think Brook is too poor, stupid and unconnected to pass the tests that Olympic athletes pass?

    Doesn't prevent them from using. No penalty does.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman's_dilemma
     
  13. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    You tried to say I was OK with Porter juicing, I don't believe he's juicing but it wouldn't surprise me if he came up positive. No fighter should be allowed to juice and people claiming Porter was on it, mostly Brook fans, were looking for an excuse in case he lost. If I tell you I think you're looking for an excuse, THAT DOES NOT MEAN I CONDONE PED USE.
     
  14. Super Hans

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    Once again you seemed to think it was just Brook fans who claimed he was juicing when the negotiations began. I was here the night of the Alexander fight, there was tons of threads about Porter suddenly becoming a beast because he took on Conte. Even more so after the Paulie fight.


    We didn't even know Brook would fight Porter back then, so how the hell was it an excuse.

    Maybe I should accuse Trout if he beats Dawson maybe I should accuse him of juicing in case he fights and beats one of the fighters I support.

    You also tried to accuse Brook of making roadblocks because his promoter asked for drug testing against a guy there is big red flags about. Why should taking a test even be a problem for Porter if he's clean and how is it a roadblock?
     
  15. alexthegreatmc

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    No I did not.

    And your PED accusations were at an all-time high when the Porter fight was discussed.