Manny Pacquiao's place in history

just writing off a mans lifetime achievements in this way is blinkered.
'yeah, he won 8 titles at different weights, won lineal belts in 4 of those weights, proved himself over and over, fought anyone brave enough to stand in there with him, showed amazing longevity, moved up the weights and destroyed the dangermen up there, often as the underdog, and took their belts too, beat how many past, present and future world champions' but he needs the reluctant Floyd mayweather to make him a great'.

Just not true

 

being a fighter from a third world country that penetrated the US has proved a lot. he has fought more obstacles than fighters here in the US and Europe where they are promoted easier

 

you're avoiding the elephant in the room again, and we both know what that is

 

no elephant in my living room, try putting her on a diet.

 

what an ugly thing to say
she wouldn't be working tomorrow if she fit that bill

try not to get personal with people on here, especially when they are willing to defend everything that they post, and don't post with favorites

it makes you look bad when you start saying things like that, but it won't affect me anyway

 

I respect your choice to defend any fighter you like, but when people get pushed into a corner, you really find out what they are carved out of

I don't play angles or wave a flag, but I am honest
now that I know who you are, my loss of trust is retroactive

 

leave it now its boring

 

Probably just be brushed off as hating but I rate Pac more for titles won than comp beaten. 8 division title's is an ATG accomplishment adding the name make it look better on paper, but the fact that he beat mostly guys coming off debatable decisions and onesided losses for the majority of his big win takes a lot out of it still an ATG though just not a high as people think, Pac beating Morales in the middle of a 6 fight losing streak is considered a great win only Pac could get praised for that.

 

as you wish :good

 

so my question to you is, why is that a foundation for judging a fighter as an 'ATG' in a sport when there are over 80 'world champions' too many- and that doesn't exist in any other sport?

 

This is a silly thing to say when a guy has Barrera, Marquez, Morales, Sasakul, Hatton, Cotto and Bradley in his resume.

 

Coming from a third world country to dominated multiple divisions beating out fighter like Floyd Mayeather Jr and Bernard Hopkins to win Fighter Of The Decade...I don't need to explain more.

 

that mantle doesn't match him up against floyd

 

Coming from a third would country to make Floyd say my health come first and I'm a coward...I don't need to explain more. Even the brothers are embarrassed.

 

I don't cosidered everybody with a title a world champ also who and how you win that title matters. 9/10 the majority of the 4 title holders are in the top 5 of the division. Interim Titlist and things like that aren't real champs just high level contenders. GGG the Champ Jacobs isn't Cotto the Champ Rubio isn't.