Julio Cesar Chavez Sr vs Aaron Pryor At 140

If Pryor comes out with the kind of fire he had in the Arguello fight, Chavez gets tko'd. Chavez wasn the fighter Arguello was, and Pryor pushed him past his limits

 

Chavez is one of the toughest fighters of all time with a ridiculous iron beard. He also has a complete skill set. No way Pryor stops Chavez. He might edge him out on points in a war but I pick Chavez as he has the better defence, while Pryor (as awsome as he was in offence) was vulnerable as he had no regard for defence when he had the fire in his belly. He was put on his arse a few times because of this.

 

I don't know. Chavez could def be outhustled. all one has to do is view the Taylor fight and Pryor WAS the human windmill

this would be toe to toe action with Aaron getting the better of it

check out the second fight with Randall and you will see I am right. Frankie, who peaked late, although no Pryor, was pushing Chavez to the limit. You could see him struggling, and then the accidental cut that led to the technical win for Julio (I personally had Frank ahead by one point)

and I believe Chavez welcomed the way out because Frank was just as strong or stronger and with even more of a will to win

after this fight, Julio was never the same physically. this fight took it all out of him. that's how hard it was for him. I know when a fighter's had enough and even though he regained his title, he went nowhere from then on

the Pryor of 1981-82 would drive Julio up the wall and if he couldnt handle Pernell, he has NO CHANCE with a beast like Pryor

 

Nobody in the history of 130-140 stops a prime Chavez IMO.

 

Randall was the bigger, stronger man but Chavez still edged their trilogy.

Taylor had faster hands than Ray Leonard, his speed troubled Chavez, Pryor is no where near as fast as Taylor. People seem to think that Chavez got lucky against the flashy Taylor but he was slowing Taylor down before he stopped him. He ruined Taylor. He was never the same after that fight. He was taken to hospital such was the beating he took.

You cant compare Pea to Pryor, you couldn't get more different styles. To say you think Chavez has no chance with Pryor because he struggled with Pernell doesn't make sense. Pryor would give prime Chavez exactly the type of fight he thrives on. Pryor is easy to hit because he puts it on the line with his aggressive style. Chavez is just a better all round fighter and has the better defence inside. He's also as teak tough as any fighter in the history of the sport and would eat up anything Pryor dishes out while firing back with equal aggression but more precision.

Pryor is the bigger man and a great fighter so I can see him maybe edging Chavez on points but no way does he stop the Iron Chavez Sr.

 

Kostya Tszyu TKO 6 Chavez at 140. :hi:

 

Chavez was on the slide by the first randall fight.
at his best he was one of the most complete fighters of all time.
He went unbeaten for 90 straight fights, a record, ruling 3 weight divisions facing all comers.
made 27 title defences and won 31 title fights, also both records.
Had superb defence and offence and combined them brilliantly. He really was something special.
I think if he was American hed be mentioned alongside ray robinson and willie pep. He, like them, stayed well past his sell by date but during those peak years he was phenomenal.
I love aaron pryor and his herky jerky head movement and seat of the pants style. at his best hed be trouble for anyone. this time I think Chavez has fewer rough edges technically. so hed take on a little less damage and this would tell in the later rounds. plus chavez fought a lot lower than arguello and pryor might struggle to land.
I see Chavez by points or late stoppage in a barnburner.

 

you call that second fight with Randal, a win? It was Randal that deserved to win. Chavez was doing better than in the first fight and was unlucky enough to get caught and cut open but still, Randal was giving better than he got

as for comparisons between Taylor and Pryor, Taylor is faster but Pryor would still outpunch Chaviez becuz no one can keep up with him

and remember this; Pryor was far more explosive on offense than Chavez. Even one of his big fans was telling me after the Taylor fight "I don't know how Chavez wouldve done against someone like Pryor" meaning he had not only doubt, but extreme doubt

we both know Chavez wouldve been smacked around by Aaron and taken a huge loss

I'm just being truthful

Arguello was also a better all around fighter than Pryor (and Chavez) and like I said, Aaron just pushed him to his limits until he couldnt take no more. you saw what happened

 

yeah he's got 90 wins or better but most against nobodies or over the hill pugs. Ko 2 Roger Mayweather?

already been there (Rocky Lockridge KO 1 May 1984)

everyone else from Lockridge to Rojas to Rosario to Ramirez to Laporte to Camacho were on thier way down so it was no big accomplishment and it was no big shock to see them taking another loss

I always wondered why Julio didn't show his face when Hector took the reigns of both the 130 & 135 pound divisions in the early 80s

both turned pro the same year. both were the same age. both competed in the same divisons at the same time. both were highly ranked, except that Hector was the at the top becuz he was the best fighter at the time

beating Camacho in 1992 means NOTHING. not after you've just lost to Greg Haugen. that just shows how far down he came

 

Chavez was the underdog when he won his first title from Martinez, the beat no1 contender Castillo who'd gone 63-4. Made 9 defences against good challengers, but not greats but then where were the greats in the division?
then moved up to lightweight. Again the underdog, he ripped the title from the ko punching Rosario in a spectacular showing.
Rosario was a defining fight against a real champion at a higher weight and a known puncher.
Chavez next defining fight was again at a higher weight against the crazily talented meldrick taylor, who extended Chavez like never before, but was systematically broken down and stopped by Chavez, in one of the best fights ive seen.
Admittedly Camacho wasn't at his best by the time they fought but Chavez was in that position himself when he fought whittaker (a fight I thought he won by a point).
The man avoided no one and absolutely terrorized 3 divisions for 10 years.
credit where its due

 

you thought Chavez beat Pernel?

:think

it seemed he was outscored to me and had problems finding Pernel but if that's how you saw it

Offensive edge you must admit, would go to Pryor

 

I really disagree with your opinion Pryor would destroy Chavez. I don't have a problem with anybody thinking Pryor beats Chavez as he is bigger and a beast himself. Chavez is smaller and less aggressive but he was more educated and calculated with his pressure. He's tough enough and clever enough to make it a great fight. It would in no way be a one sided mismatch which it seems your implying. No one in history destroy's prime Chavez but he is beatable for sure. Even prime Duran wouldn't Destroy prime Chavez.

Arguello was past his best when he fought Pryor.
I don't think Arguello was as tough as Chavez, and its up for debate if he was better. Chavez is more complete imo.

 

Arguello from 1978 would def whip Chavez (130)

1981 version (135) probably take him part with pinpoint counters

 

Only if Chavez stayed at the range where Arguello was masterful. Chavez isn't stupid enough to do that. He would fight him in close where he is superior to Arguello. I dont think Arguello has the feet to keep away from Chavez. He would have to try and counter Chavez while he tries to get inside. Chavez has a cute defence so its not an easy task for the accurate Arguello. Stylistically this is a harder fight for Arguello than it is for Chavez.