The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You sound like a reasonable person, thanks for carrying a conversation. Look we can go back and fourth all day and before pac accepted to fight clottey, he was offered the 14 day cut off. Team pac is on record saying they never did accept the 14 day cut off and that's where pac is seen on the infamous espn interview with brian. Brian asked pac him self why pac did not accept the 14 days and pac himself says it would be a distraction. Bob Arum himself says that they will not entertain the idea of a 3rd party testing agency and the whole thing is "nonsense" . That they will only accept what the boxing commission asks for.

    I can reference some links to negotiations time line if you would like.
     
  2. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How does the guy who takes drug testing for all his fights come off as more suspicious than the guy who turns down testing multiple times?
     
  3. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know about Pac rejecting 14 days before Clottey, but once he freed up in May/June, they claimed they accepted unlimited or 7 day cutoff. 7 days is fine with me if you're not trying to obstruct. Floyd just disappeared.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Non-bias timeline of Pacquiao's team and drug testing opinions and usage:

    They claimed only local boxing commissions should test fighters and that their tests are perfectly fine. No other organizations. They claimed USADA was particularly dirty and corrupt.

    Then KTFO6 happened. And Team Pacquiao claimed all opponents from now on would be tested.

    Then they used VADA for the Rios fight in the first "more than just the commission testing" of Pac's career. Rios popped dirty for a diuretic.

    Then, after lengthy back and forth in the public, they end up using USADA for their very next fight in the Bradley rematch weeks after Bradley had signed up for VADA. Team Pac didn't use USADA, actually, but a special one time agreed upon joint USADA/NSAC testing program.

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    Pacquiao and his team have been all over the place on testing... No consistency.
     
  5. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Because boxing fans, more than any other sport I've followed, have no consistency and no shame.
     
  6. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    They have "said" a lot of things.

    See my above post about their ever changing opinions on drug testing.
     
  7. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac turned down testing multiple times? Early 2010 ok, cutoff wrangling, but when were the other times?

    Private contracts with test agencies wouldn't be taken seriously in any respectable sport. So there's a built in suspicion there due to the blatant conflict of interest.
     
  8. lester proctor

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    And Floyd wasn't around to call them on it, for some reason. Once he came back to negotiate, we got comical purse splits, and Pac must leave Arum and give him some fights under TMT...
     
  9. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    "we got comical purse splits"

    When did Floyd offer Pacquiao a deal that wasn't going to be a career high payday?
     
  10. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Come on, I don't have to explain the 40m garbage again?
     
  11. texboxing00

    texboxing00 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you mean when the "2nd negotiations" took place? When Arum put a clock on floyd? Arum had insisted that negotiations took place and that the drug testing issue had been resolved and that negotiations were still in process but that there was a gag order. During this time there was also a dispute between roach and knocz and arum. Roach said they had agreed to testing and both Bob and knocz denied that. Later arum admitted that he actually never had a discussion with team floyd and that he "assumed" greenburg from hbo was doing the talking for him.

    Greenburg later made a statement saying he never claimed to be negotiating anything and that having discussions on future plans does not mean or implement that they are negotiating.

    The whole thing was a circus.
     
  12. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oscar said they said they were working on something big, and at the time Greenburg said he was mediating and making progress. I'm sure he later had to rescind so as not to offend cashcow Floyd. But the only ones that went silent were Team Floyd.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

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    I agree he deserved more than 40 M at the time, so no, you don't...

    But is a career high payday "comical," though?
     
  14. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you kidding? Kizer was prattling on about the sufficiency of their testing and his belief that anything more wasn't necessary back then. Hell they even "randomly" tested Pacquiao and Mayweather when negotiations came to a halt to prove they were allowed.

    The difference between agreeing to a 7 day cutoff and no cutoff is not insignificant, and Pacquiao's team's insistence that they agreed to everything while actually merely being okay with the former and not the latter was disingenuous at best.
     
  15. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I'd rather go silent than stick my foot in my mouth.
     
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