Rigondeaux is Not Unbeatable, LSC, Carl, Walters, Jhonny, Loma Can Dethrone Him.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Rigondeaux has become mythic in a little over a year on this site, now let me in laymen's terms be a mythbuster.
    Is Rigo one of the most skilled talented boxers in the sport today YES, but that doesn't mean he is incapable of losing.

    He beat Donaire which didn't shock me, in fact I knew it would happen, Donaire's decline didn't start with Rigo it started with Vazquez Jr and Mathebula, even though he won both fights he didn't look great in either of them. He was on a roll, and very left hook happy and when his opponent took his power well, he would have difficulty trying to adjust especially in the Mathebula fight. Rigondeaux is a superior boxer but skillwise Donaire is far from perfect, and his KO power is overrated 35 fights 21 KO's, isn't that amazing. Donaire wasn't mentally ready, he was distracted by events in his personal life and hadn't really put too much thought into what he was up against, he took him far too lightly. But still best win of Rigo's career.

    Now what about the others, Joseph Agbeko not very impressive win especially due to the fact that he was coming into the match shellshocked, he was fighting the guy who just dethroned the king, wouldn't you be intimidated, the fight was lost before it began. He knew he didn't have the skills or the KO power, so what does that leave him with, he was collecting a paycheck. He was outboxed by Yonnhy Perez and Abner Mares twice. Mares hurt him bad in the first round of the first fight, so of course he will fear Rigo's power, and make him hesitant to engage.

    Robert Marroquin he was 23 years old and decent but had fought nobodies so no big deal, he was unproven.
    Rico Ramos seemed impressive at the time but since then he has been outboxed 3 times and been down countless times, maybe he wasn't very good to start with.

    But here is the potential crack in his armor, Ricardo Cordoba who was KO'd and dropped 4 times by Bernard Dunne, so he doesn't have an iron chin but he made the fight very ugly and crowded Rigo and pressured him through much of the second half of the fight eventually losing in a SD, but managed to drop Rigo to a knee with a left hook, which affected him causing him to retreat for the rest of the round. Cordoba is also a southpaw which seemed to give him problems at times as well. He didn't win but he made Rigo look beatable.

    Rigondeaux has KO power??? does he??? he hasn't KO'd 3 of his last 4 opponents, because he stepped up in competition and when you step up the chins get better. Showing maybe top tier guys have less to fear, Cordoba realized that and he didn't even have a great chin.

    Frampton has 2 very impressive wins in his resume Kiko Martinez and Hugo Cazares. Neither man had ever been KO'd yet Carl stopped them both. He has a good chin, Kiko couldn't hurt him and he stopped Romero and Mathebula neither had been stopped before Donaire couldn't even stop Mathebula. Does Carl have the skills maybe not but may have the power, Donaire and Cordoba dropped Rigo, so he may not have the best chin. He can counter punch and stalk his opponent potential big threat to Rigo.

    Santa Cruz could be a potential nightmare for Rigo, he has been walking through everyone he faces like a bulldozer stopping Morel for the first time something Mares couldn't do, his constant pressure and great Mexican chin would surely be a problem especially if Cordoba was, and Santa Cruz is far better a fighter than Ricardo. Granted Seda and Mijares were problems they were southpaws as is Rigo but he still beat them soundly, LSC is being written off far too easily based on workrate alone he may edge it, even if he can't stop Rigo.

    Lomachenko is operating on the same level as Rigo, they are both natural counter punchers and southpaws which could be one of their undoing, someone will eventually have to press the fight and Vasyl's hand speed and combinations may prove hard for Rigo to deal with, as would his power if anyone can land on Rigo flush its Loma and if he can hurt a usually solid chinned welterweight version of Salido, he can definitely crack Rigo's questionable chin.

    Is Rigo unbeatable I don't think so, people are buying into the hype a little too much, the first fighter who is unfazed by his counters and can get to him will pose a serious threat to everyone's new favorite flavor of the month.

    Edit: Walters would poleax him as well, Jhonny Gonzalez would knock his head off.:deal
     
  2. SonOfCuba

    SonOfCuba Well-Known Member Full Member

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    He onced had trouble with an opponent just to see how it felt. Rigondeaux, he is the most interesting boxer alive.
     
  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    What a shock I never thought you would disagree:lol:
     
  4. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    Probably not but I wouldn't back any of them to beat him now, maybe Lomachenko in the future.
     
  5. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Of course he isn't unbeatable, nobody is.
    Donaire despite of his flaws and being outboxed still dropped Rigo, wich tells you that a good puncher might do the job if he lands clean.
    I don't often buy in British hype (for obvious reasons) but Frampton looks like a life one. Also Santa might pull out some Christmas present if he ever fights Rigo.
    Rigo might very well clown these guys if they ever fight, but he's definitely not unbeatable.

    And let's not forget that he's ugly too :bart
     
  6. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    rigo is getting on in age (especially for a lighter fighter) if he is as good as he was in the donaire fight aient no stopping this man...
     
  7. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    darchinyan was schooling donaire pretty badly until the stoppage, his win against donaire is a bit overrated.
     
  8. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    No one is unbeatable.
     
  9. TheRat

    TheRat Boxing Addict Full Member

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    tough call, loma is the only one i see beating him.
     
  10. kartog

    kartog Agent Smith Full Member

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    Rigo skillwise I would put above Floyd Jr. But is he unbeatable, no.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    He's ugly as a hatful of assholes:yep
     
  12. CST80

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    Donaire has been slipping since the Narvaez fight. Arce is terrible he made it easy for him, and Nishioka was a good win but he had been KO'd before.
     
  13. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl:lol:
     
  14. FilipMNE

    FilipMNE Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I would give best chance to Loma but for me still Rigo beats him convincigly, Frampton said 100 times I'm not ready blah blah blah he would be schooled also LSC who would be harder fight but loses clearly...
     
  15. LeonardEllerb3

    LeonardEllerb3 Member Full Member

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    He's definitely beatable. Amazingly skilled but his defence isn't as good as people say, it's not on the level of Mayweather like people say. We have never seen Mayweather dropped in the fashion Rigo has and he's had 46 fights.

    I still think it will be a difficult task for anybody around those weights to beat him but he's beatable and there is a few holes in his defensive game that can be exploited. People choose to ignore this because overall, the majority of his skills are amazing. Can anyone exploit them? My best bet is Leo Santa Cruz if he comes with relentless pressure. He might get his head boxed off but then again he might just be able to put a lot of pressure on Rigo and find a way through. That's the fight i want to see. If he fights a "boxer", he will win. You're not going to outbox him. Lomachenko might have the best shot at outboxing him but i would take Rigo over him.