Marciano v Walcott 2 Revisited

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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  2. salsanchezfan

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    That fight still looks fishy to me. The way Walcott fell looked so overdramatized.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    AJ Leibling who was there said Walcott accepted the decision with equanimity ,and that is was only when the crowd booed it's dissaproval of the short fight that he began to pantomime outrage.The footage seems to support this.
    Walcott later said he blacked out and did not hear the count.To me he appears to be mulling over whether to get up and go though the hell he had in the first fight.
     
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  4. The Long Count

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    Walcott got nailed, went down hurt and decided to stay down. Looks to me he clears his head at 6 and just stares into space until the count is finished. I think the brutality of his KO loss in the first fight may have played a role. Pure speculation I know, but that was one scary knockout it may have stayed in Walcott's mind and he decided to not risk being hurt further, like that again if he got up. Marciano put the fear in him.
     
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  5. fists of fury

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    Pretty much agree with the last two posts. To me, Walcott got old all of a sudden and realised that retirement didn't seem like a bad idea. He probably was up for the second fight but then when he got hit, his aspirations vanished.
     
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  6. Seamus

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    Walcott knew he couldnt go 15 with Rocky, knew the end of his career was nigh, knew he didnt have the fire power to stop the young buck.... he took the first exit available. He had no intention of even trying to win.
     
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  7. RockyJim

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    Walcott knew he had Marciano beaten in the 1st fight in 1952...until the 13th round...
    he knew the fight was over with the knockdown in the 1st round...he said he blacked out for a few seconds after he went down and lost the count...
     
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  8. Mendoza

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    This is how I see it. To add more, Walcott never fought again.
     
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  9. Seamus

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    Walcott had little intention of fighting that night.
     
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  10. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    LOOK at the training footage. Marciano shows impressive power hitting that 270lb bag. Walcotts footwork looks superb in that sparring session, his legs are fast for 39 years old. He certainly had some tricks!
     
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  11. choklab

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    A one round blow out rarely gives the winner too much credit. Too often it's a case of one man getting off first before the other one gets started.

    It dosnt always mean the other guy was bad, he just did not get going.

    Liston v Patterson.
    ALI v Liston
    Smith v Witherspoon
    Dokes v Weaver.

    Some times one guy has less appetite initially, no doubt, but if he gets cancelled out before he can settle down it dosnt mean he was terrible.

    Angelo Dundee said a lot of one round fights don't mean much and often could have went the other way. Take Moore vs Yvon Durelle.
     
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  12. Terhon

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    Didnt Walcott fight the stoppage in court?
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Moore v Durelle?:huh
     
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  14. mcvey

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    In the first fight Walcott came out confident he was the better man ,more skilled etc, he faked Marciano and landed that terrific left hook.
    Second fight he didnt seem to have any confidence at all he, just reacted defensively to Marciano's lunges untli he got caught.To be charitable I'd say he showed a marked lack of ambition. Marciano didn't look too great either he missed badly and lunged with his shots ,but it was early doors so probably he would have settled down , Walcott looked like he was looking for a place to fall imo.
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Walcott's sparring session concentrated on avoiding punches in that respect it was a replica of the fight. Marciano did show impressive power on the big bag but he looked slow too ,both on that , and the speed bag. I didn't think Walcott looked as ripped in the footage as he did in their first fight ,a bit similar to Liston in the Ali fights.Anyone agree?
     
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