the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I think popular perception would swing the other way; you'd have a bunch of people arguing that Norton and Ali won those fights. But really that would change history so much. He'd have a rematch with Ali and you have to wonder if Ali had anything left. Certainly he could come in in better shape but that's not enough. So assuming he beats Ali twice and Norton twice and Foreman her be the guy until he had to fight Holmes or Ocassio or had a set of judges who scored based on ridiculous criteria like landing effective punches.

 

Scored Hopkins vs Pascal 1- 8-6 for Hopkins. I had Pascal jumping out to a 5 point lead over the first three rounds. I gave him an extra point in both the 1st and 3rd because of the knock downs and I felt Pascal won the 2nd as well. I had Hopkins winning the next four rounds in a row then Pascal won the 8th, then I feel Hopkins won the remainder of the rounds. The 12th round was very close but I gave the edge to Hopkins I felt he out worked Pascal slightly to win the round.

 

Scored Hopkins vs Pascal 2 today, I had Hopkins winning 8-4. I thought Pascal took the first two rounds while Hopkins felt it out. Hopkins had a good third round landing one real big right hand. Pascal did the same in the 4th round rocking Hopkins. Hopkins would go on and win the next 7 rounds in a row, he should've got credit for two flash knock downs but the ref didn't call them. Pascal had a good 12th round almost dropping Hopkins, but Bhop weathered the storm and won a clear decision.


Hopkins 3,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,
Pascal 1,2,4,12

 

Rewatched Ruben Olivares - Chucho Castillo 1&2

First one scored 146-141:

Castillo: 2, 3, 4 (Castillo scored a knockdown in second round)
Olivares: 1, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 15
Tie: 9, 13, 14

Classic mexican style bouts. Can't be bothered to go into details honestly, but great fights. Alot of inside fighting, body punches and uppercuts all over the place.



Emile Griffith - Luis Rodriguez I


A bout where Griffith still didn't fight scared and actually put some weight behind his punches. Not that interesting fight though, but Emile did what he had to do.


First couple of rounds were controlled by Rodriguez, dancing and keeping Griffith at bay with that Liston-like long jab, it was actually funny. As an observer you think "nah, he is too far away to connect with the jab without using feet to get closer", but Griffith was eating alot of stiff jabs. Rodriguez was doing a great job of hooking of the jab and countering almost everything Griffith threw, shovel hooks to the body, right hand over the top...

In mid rounds Griffith dropped that gameplan and started to rush Rodriguez, actually having some success. Around 6th round, Rodriguez flashed again for a second - started to dance again and counter successfully.

Griffith adapted and really started to cut him off and step inside Rodriguez's punches giving him no space to move or throw straight punches - although too slow at times, he was getting his arms trapped by Rodriguez who would then pepper Emile's body.

By the end of the fight it was more of a grappling match, but Griffith was in full control and Rodriguez had no space to breathe.

Didn't score it actually, but it was probably around 6-4 or 7-3 for Griffith.

 

Foreman-Schulz

Foreman:1,2,5,6,11
Schulz:3,4,7,8,9,10,12

Result:115-113 Schulz

Very tough fight to score. Schulz scored cleaner punches, but he failed to hurt George, while Foreman's blows had bigger impact. Although in my opinion stats for this fight are suspect. It doesn't seem to me, that Foreman connected more punches than Schulz.

 

Looking forward to watch this fight between Donald Cerrone vs. Jim Miller.
The Cerrone-Miller lightweight affair will headline the Atlantic City card, which takes place on July 16 at the Revel Casino-Hotel, the official said.

Cerrone (23-6, 1 NC) is a winner of three straight fights in the Octagon, most recently dispatching Edson Barboza at UFC on FOX 11 last month. All three of Cerrone’s wins during his recent run have come has finishes.

Source: mmaweekly

 

Taylor vs Spinks from a few years back

Scored for Taylor 115-113

Taylor 3,5,6,7,9,10,12

Spinks 1,2,4,,8,11

Final take away:

Fight was not exciting and its one I normally wouldnt bother with but I had it on VHS and I was going thru my fights and decided to leave it on. Taylor was grilled hard by Steward and the HBO crew for not throwing and not being aggressive enough. It seemed as though Taylor was winning, knew he was winning and didnt do more than he had to vs a guy just passive enough where he could win on occasional power punching

Early it looked like Taylor was too passive and let Spinks get comfy early as the challenger and smaller man. Taylor who couldnt land the jab at all began to use his straight right hand and landed hard connects thru the fight event used the right uppercut and punched under the guard to land. Spinks celebrated running around with his hands up hugging his trainer like he won 118-110 I couldnt believe the over celebration....

Anyway maybe its just hindsight or being removed from the time of the fight but I thought Taylor did ok...I mean he didnt set the world on fire but he clearly won the fight. He had a guy whose goal was to make it ugly and he won..Reminded me of a B side version of Oscar vs Whitaker very ineffective fight for both men. Taylor couldnt get off but Spinks didnt land much. If the stats were accurate at a point Spinks had more than double the out put while Taylor landed over half his punches and more than doubled Spinks in accuracy

Oddly enough Merchant who is accused of racism and hating slick fighters in round 7 said you have to respect Spinks's ability in there..He didnt really go on any tirade about it being boring either

Lennox was actually pleasant to listen to since he had worked with Steward and was able to kind of comment on what he thought Taylor needed to do and what Steward was probably thinking or feeling

Steward eventually got real tough on Jermaine going into 12 and Jermaine finally charged out guns blazing and put shots together and was aggressive...Seemed like he could have done that the whole time

 

Khan vs Petersen- remember as an exciting fight last time I scored it I couldnt remember how to properly score a round with a foul deduction and the guy docked winning the round it should be 9-9 and my last card hinged on it but couldnt remember if it meant a draw or a win for Khan

1 10-8 Khan clear round even without the knockdown The slip call looked right and even the knockdown could have been called a slip as Khans leg went behind his and Khan used his arm/elbow to push Petersen over

2 10-9 Khan not without Petersens moments 20-17 Petersen
3 10-9 Petersen pretty clear, 1 loud warning for pushing and for pushing Petersens head down though he has warned Petersen earlier for keeping his head down

I know this ref was heavily scrutinized but he let them fight out of clinches and his warnings have been about even to this point

4 10-9 Khan very close round Khan won 1st 2 mins then coasted a little let Petersen work on the ropes warned for pushing, warned again clearly ref said stop pushing, khan pushed one more time

5 10-9 Khan 49-45
6 10-9 Khan 59-54 Khan Stepped in Told Khan to Stop pushing and pushed his arms out twice with a 1:20 or so ref says last warning no pushing, ref fairly warns both Khan for holding and Petersen for putting his head down

mid point Khan way up on my card, Lederman gave Petersen 1 other rd
7 10-8 Petersen 67-64 Khan
8 10-9 Petersen big round 76-74 Khan
9 10-9 Khan who wobbled Petersen but couldnt follow up, Petersen rocks him late on a right not enough to steal 86-83 Khan
10 10-9 Khan probably a pretty debatable round 96-92 Khan
11 10-9 Petersen 105-102
12 9-9 even 114-111 HBO said its a clear Khan round I dont think so

F: 114-111

 

Just started watching Marvin Johnson-Jean Marie Emebe. Thru 4 rounds so far and this is a WAR.

 

This thread is quite dead lately, so I'll chime in with one I finished up today.

I watched (in two parts) the rematch between Jose Napoles and Armando Muniz from July 1975. This rematch was made because of the extremely controversial nature of their first fight, which from the small bit I've seen should really have been awarded to Muniz on a TKO, as he was skewering a bloodied Napoles. The ref saw it otherwise, and clearly pulling for the hometown guy, awarded the fight to Napoles on a technical decision in round 12. I haven't seen that whole fight, and would like to.

But on to the rematch.............basically, Napoles was pretty well gone by this time. His legs were nowhere to be found, and he spent almost the entire fight allowing Muniz to come inside and shorten the distance. As a result, I had Muniz faring quite well after about six rounds as Napoles seemed unable to keep the bull-like challenger at bay.

But in the ninth round ( I think), Napoles landed a scorching hook that floored Muniz and from there on he maintained control by scoring with the cleaner shots against a tiring, swollen Muniz. Napoles spent too much time backed against the ropes while Muniz tried to land something, but his legs just wouldn't let him escape. Lucky for Napoles he still had that hook, one of the prettiest in ring history. It took him a few rounds to begin timing Muniz coming in, but once he found that rhythm he scarcely lost a round going forward, even if many were fairly close.

I didn't score it round by round but sort of roughly counted as I went, and had Napoles up 10-5 in rounds with an extra point for the knockdown in round nine.

This wasn't a great performance though, and showed that the great champion was at the end of his tether.

 

I always felt those first six rounds were rather because norton didn't really have an answer. I don't think norton had that style to beat Ali, he had the style to beat that Ali unlike say Frazier who could chase Ali down and strike. Norton needed him to be a little slower to get things done.

 

Never thought Norton to be more than a decent fighter really.he certainly got the most out of his talent with the Ali and Holmes efforts though.

Amazing he was in the HOF so early.You could name dozens upon dozens of contenders from other weight divisions that aren't in yet and were at least as good.

 

If you had to listen to Bundini for 15 rounds, wouldn't YOU want to cuff him?