Jake Lamotta and his overratedness(if that's even a word)

What do you base these observations on? Raging bull?

 

Because he has very good resume, full of legandary boxers.

He has a win over prime Robinson. Ray Robinson had 1 loss in 135 fights, to La Motta. Robinson beat many good and great fighters during that period.

La Motta hadn't boxing skills? That's something new. His offensive arsenal was pretty good.

 

they must all be talking **** then, what do they know?

 

In boxing you don't need to be the most skillful or the fastest to be effective. It's more than that.

Example: prime Floyd had great speed and skills advantage over slow, one-dimensional Castillo, and had very hard time with him.

Same with Robinson and LaMotta.

 

you want a lesson in how to break down a fighter?
I charge

 

Some people who have never boxed before seem to think that guys who come forward a lot are just head first brawlers and have no skill, which is bs

These are fighters which have adapted to there physical attribute which usually are being short for there weight, very physical strong and have a good punch and a good chin and use this to there advantages to develop the skills to be able to beat other fighters

Just the same way tall rangy fast fighters develop the style and skill to use these to there best advantages

No boxer regardless of style barely ever makes it to the top without being skilled

I think you have this image from watching the movie raging bull that lamotta just walked forward eating punches his whole career ,this isn't the case, if it was his career wouldn't have lasted 20 fights

 

good post
hardly anyone I know metions Chavez or duran or Tyson when asked for a list of all time great 'boxers'. but this view is skewed towards a certain (often easier to analyze) style of boxing. it takes more skill to slip inside a jab than it does to step away

 

If anything LaMotta is underrated. He was not slow, and to claim he was a one dimensional brawler with no skills totally misses just how good he was in his prime. Part of the problem is that most of the footage of him is from after he was past his prime. He was already fading when he won the title. So you get a skewed view of him just by looking at the films. For instanec, when he fought Robinson he was incredibly weight drained, losing something like 10+ pounds the night before the fight. Even dead at the weight it was a close fight until he started to visibly fatigue. In his prime he was considered a two fisted dynamo and one of the best bodypunchers in the sport. He was often compared, early on, to Harry Greb for his aggressive, non stop punching. He was also considered freakishly strong for his size and of course, ridiculously hard to hurt. His jab is ridiculous underrated today. Despite a relatively short reach he outjabbed Ray Robinson (among others) and was a master at infighting (he had to be with his stubby T-Rex arms).

 

its not hard.
either a) no expert present or past knows anything about the sport theyre involved in
or...