mike tyson innocent or guilty?

The republican party is made up predominantly of ignorant poor whites who are easily sidetracked by social issues that any legislation dealing with will never affect them. They will get mad and march and fight over something that has nothing to do with them while the people they vote for steal from them and make sure they and their children will never have a better life. If the republicans were only made up of the top 4% theyd never win an election.

 

I agree with Klompton that the case was a farce, compounded by the fact that Vince Fuller was a tax attorney and had never dealt with a criminal case in his life. He was totally out of his depth here. Tyson should never have taken the stand. Washington was proven ex post facto to hardly be squeaky clean and she had a couple of skeletons in her closet.

On the other hand, Tyson's past indiscretions came back to bite him hard here. His history with women came back to haunt him and inasmuch as the trial was shambolic, I cannot with hand on heart say whether I think he was really innocent or not. His past history leaves me with that element of doubt.

But as said above, the trial did not prove his guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. The burden of proof lay with the State and I don't think there was really enough there to convict him.

As for Robin Givens, well she was a cold, ruthless schemer who only married Tyson for the money and the elevation in status it would give her. Whatever Tyson did to her, she fully deserved it.

 

Without saying names or going into too much detail I know a guy who happens to be one of the nicest people Ive ever met. This guy is about as positive a person as Ive ever heard. Rarely has a bad word to say about people, even the ones who clearly deserve it. This guy knows/knew Givens and called her pure evil. Nuff said.

 

I think Tyson is guilty of being a fool. Here is a guy who had opportunity after oppertunity to better himself but kept excusing his behaviour and reckless ways on being young and coming from a reckless background. Yes he came from a reckless background but it was discipline that took him where he was going. He was not as weak as he made out. Nor was he as naive as he made out. At times he would like to appear as an exploited child star to suit a situation BUT the required focus, the required discipline hard work and passion reveal a more intelligent capable person than the damaged, care free uneducated person he would excuse himself as to explain himself out of inexcusable situations.

Tyson exploited his position as a famous young person for all it was worth. Surrounding himself with worthless people in order to blame them for stuff he most likely wanted to get away with. He was bright enough to get by without half the guidance he got yet excuses are made, blame was put upon people he chose to be with. He did not need to be with most of the people he chose to be with. He was capable of better decision-making. You cant blame anyone else.

 

YUP,:nut, you hit the nail on the head..

And if Mikes trial had been in LA, Hollywood, Detroit, Chicago, Brooklyn, he would have walked quicker than Michael Jackson doin the 1984 Moonwalk...

 

Im not excusing the exact opposite, the OJ effect whereby everyone knew he was guilty but god forbid he get convicted or the world burns... Common sense needs to prevail on both sides.

 

Tyson was threatening to leave King. It's in the book I mentioned. CHeck it out.

 

I'll never know if Tyson did the crime or not but the case was weak against him. For all his money he really got taken by those closest to him that should of had his interests at heart.

 

I'm surprised Tyson didn't have a legal case against his lawyers. As a lawyer you have a fiduciary responsibility to only work in whatever legal field you're proficient in. A tax lawyer, just because the word lawyer is behind his name, isn't qualified to practice criminal law.

 

Ok Ive gotta give my 2c here

1.. Robin Givens was a golddigger she took Mike Tyson for everything he had. Her mother was once quoted as saying " Lets take that dumb n****r for everything he has"

2... Desiree Washington. What girl gets up at 2.30am dressed in a baby doll nightie, puts a jacket on and goes out to meet a guy to go "SIGHTSEEING" Where did they end up?? Tysons room . I know a guy that was at that pageant he said Des & another girl were flirting with Tyson all day talking dirty etc. Tyson was a judge she thought he'd vote for her & she'd win. Wasn't till she didn't 48 hrs later that she decided to accuse him.
Tyson was no angel & did some bad things but I'm convinced on both these accounts he was railroaded

 

I'll side with the jury who heard the evidence over a bunch of people who think Vincent J. Fuller was a "tax attorney."

He was a criminal defense attorney. One of the accused criminals he defended was Don King against a tax evasion charge. That doesn't make him a tax attorney. He also defended John Hinckley (successfully, on an insanity defense) against a criminal charge of shooting the president of the U.S., Ronald Reagan, and also defended Jimmy Hoffa, the noted mob/union boss, on criminal charges.

A couple of facts about the case: Tyson on the stand contradicted his own testimony to the grand jury -- he told two different tales about what went down (he first claimed under oath that he said the same thing to the grand jury and that the transcript was wrong, then changed his mind and said the prosector had interrupted him before he could finish, then changed it again to say that he would have told the truth to the grand jury but was too embarrassed to say it then).

He left in the middle of the night, booking a flight soon after Washington left his room to get out of town on a midnight plane. He said that his plan was to leave before dawn (despite the fact that his return flight was actually later) even though he was there to judge a pageant -- and he left before the pageant took place, changing his plans only after Washington left his room. He even had made plans to join Jesse Jackson to do a public appearance the next day, further proof that he never planned to leave so quickly ... until after something went down in that hotel room.

He testified that his bodyguard was with them and waited in the suite's living room, on the other side of the bedroom door. Not one, not two, but THREE witnesses testified that the bodyguard was elsewhere. Curiously, Tyson's defense chose not to call the bodyguard -- a guy who was with them that night and who Tyson alleges was outside the door and thus could tell what he overheard (i.e. were there screams, did he hear her say no, did he hear sounds as if they were having consentual ***) -- to the stand. Hmmm.

And while I'm sure the Tyson supporters are medical experts, the doctor who was actually called to the stand -- the one who had examined Washington -- described bruising in her private area that could only have been caused by non-consentual ***.

You might want to consider the OP as well -- he believes Tyson when he says he didn't **** Washington, but he also says he didn't punch his wife, Robin Givens. Guess who said he did? Mike Tyson, in his own words. So you don't believe him when he says he hit his wife but you believe him when he says he didn't **** a woman.

Case closed.

 

Wiow, I never heard the case described like this before. And from a Saint!

I actually had heard nothing to contradict this, though if aneone doubys this account soiurces should be provided. I heretofore had neard nothing persuasive either way.

Givens & her Mom were pretty terrible, but nobody deserves to be abused.
Even Don King, who IS a 2 time killer, congenital con artist/thief & sociopathic Monster

 

In regards to O. J. Simpson, the evidence is absolutely overwhelming that he murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. The evidence appears to be far less overwhelming in the case in which Mike Tyson was convicted of raping Desiree Washington. Was a mistake made when Tyson was put on witness stand to testify during the trial?

- Chuck Johnston

 

i thought ill add my two cents.

Desiree Washington had previously accused her ex boyfriend of raping her after theyd had *** and shed felt guilty.

if Tyson is a scumbag for past misdemeanors, shouldn't Desiree too be cross examined a bit deeper?

there is a very interesting docu available on youtube where the members of the jury were recently reapproached and asked about their opinions on the court case. Ill post the link when i get home.

one of the jury members, said she knew Tyson was guilty just because of the way he was looking at her!

Tysons own comments 'i didn't **** her but i look back now and i wish i did, i wish i raped her and her ****ing mama'

strong words.

 

:thumbsup Great analysis.