why do people think tyson has a better chin than frazier?

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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  2. atr

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    Tyson's chin was tested by heavier punchers. As for the Douglas kayo, he took a beating before being knocked out. How many big punchers did Frazier face? What was the outcome?
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

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    frazier went right into foreman's punches i would love to see what would happen if tyson faced old foreman let alone young george. The only proof that this ****** has is that Foreman dropped him. Who the **** cares? He's one of the hardest punchers ever so of course he has the power to take somebody off their feet.

    Frazier fought Bonavena (Twice) who was a rugged two-fisted brawler and a tough fight for any fighter, Oscar could also punch he very nearly knocked out Muhammad Ali in the 10th round of their fight.

    Frazier fought Quarry (Twice) who was a great counter-puncher and who punched hard enough to knock out Earnie Shavers in one round something Holmes, Ali & Norton never came close to doing.. Quarry hit hard enough to KO Mac Foster, Thad Spencer & Jack Bodell.

    George Chuvalo - who was a World-Class tough guy who punched hard enough to knock-out Quarry, Manuel Ramos, Doug Jones, Yvon Durrell & Mike DeJohn.

    Bob Foster - one of the hardest punchers who ever lived was bombed-out in less than 2rds by Smokin Joe.

    Frazier vs Foreman (1) is regarded as the most brutal punching display in the history of boxing yet Frazier was up on his feet ready to go after the 6th knock down which is a true testament to his cast iron chin... Did Ken Norton, Gerry Cooney, Michael Moorer or Ron Lyle take the punches Frazier took and beat the count.
     
  4. Sangria

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    Im a fan of Frazier but if you want to get techno about the whole thing, his chin couldn't carry Tyson's mouthpiece!
     
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  5. swagdelfadeel

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    Joe Frazier could absorb an unheavenly amount of punches over fifteen rounds and not even be properly staggered. See the first Ali fight!

    And he was crazy enough to face Foreman 'twice' and repeatedly get up after being knocked down what? Six times. The man always got up!!!! Some have been questioning Frazier's lack of facing big punchers, but tell me another fighter who fought prime Foreman twice! I dont remember Ken Norton jumping up and down for a second match, sorry beating.

    In the first Foreman fight Frazier was hit and dropped by savage uppercuts and even one full blooded shot to the back of the head!! Did he moan or ***** to the ref or take five minutes off? No! The man got ready for the next fusilade of punishment.

    He was knocked down repeatedly, but its arguable as to whether he was ever dazed beyond his senses or was falling all over the ring. If anyone has boxed/sparred and has suffered knockdowns in quick succession, believe me.......it really exhausts you to get up, you get a big adrenaline rush which makes your legs feel shaky! Six times is a testiment to Joe's chin and recuperative powers. If Frazier was a defensive boxer in the manner of an Ali, Holmes or Young he may have survived by moving, circling, tying up. But the man was a face first warrior whose only defence (which was great btw) was bobbing and weaving.

    Lyle and Shavers hit hard, but neither had the sort of chin that could take Frazier's repeated left hooks.

    Many boxing fans claim Muhammad Ali could not punch yet IMO he could hit hard enough to KO any fighter, Ali is the only fighter to KO Foreman & Bonavena and punched hard enough to stop Lyle, London, Cooper, Folley, Williams and many more yet he hit Joe Frazier with over 4000+ punches without knocking him out..Ali said,"no other fighter except Frazier could have taken those punches"
     
  6. Vanboxingfan

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    Well I'm not an alt or a huge Tyson fan, but I think Tyson's chin is better than Frazier's. I just don't think many fighters could have taken the punches Lewis was loading up with against Tyson. Same with Douglas. Like I said, I'm not a huge Tyson fan but you gotta give the guy credit for being able to take one hell of a beating before getting KO'd.

    And no way does Ali hit anywhere near as hard as Lewis. And honestly, Foreman lost due to exhaustion more than anything else.

    I'm not knocking Frazier's chin I think it's pretty damn good, just not as good as Tyson's.
     
  7. Sangria

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    Capitalize my name when you speak to me :fire
     
  8. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    i'd love to see tyson get up once against foreman. A large amount of heart can not save you from getting knocked out. Your brain and your nervous system knows when it's time to shut down and no amount of heart can prevent/override the natural feedback of the body.

    He got up from those knock downs because he was physically resilient, not due to heart in the slightest

    All his heart really helped him to do was run face first into more viscous uppercuts. He was a man of pride and wanted to fight like a warrior.
     
  9. atr

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    Swag, you post with an agenda.

    So, explain how a weak chinned Norton could just about get up three times after being knocked down by peak Foreman, but in your opinion, Tyson would struggle to get up once?
     
  10. Vanboxingfan

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    Well if you don't want various opinions other than your own then why start a thread in the first place?

    You asked a question and I provided you with my opinion and the reason why I came to this conclusion.

    Obviously you have a different opinion.
     
  11. Vanboxingfan

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    Show me where I mentioned the word "heart" even once, cause right now you're simply rambling.
     
  12. Bokaj

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    I like Frazier better than Tyson, but it's just ludicrous to suggest that Frazier's chin was equal to Tyson's. Actually it wasn't close to it.

    Tyson walked through bombs by monster punchers as Smith, Bruno, Ruddock and Lewis. He was only really hurt when exhausted. Frazier only faced one puncher of that calibre and we all know what happened then.
     
  13. ForemanJab

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    Tyson had a good chin but he could definitely be hurt. Tucker rocked him with an uppercut, Bruno had him on roller skates with a left hook, Douglas knocked him out, Holyfield had him out on his feet with a counter right, his legs gave out on a Lewis uppercut, Williams dropped him with a right hand.

    Frazier had a pretty good chin survived after taking clean bomb after clean bomb from Ali in the 13th and 14th in Manila. He got up quickly every time Foreman dropped him.

    I think chin talk on the whole is overrated, when a guy is known as having an "iron chin" it's usually because their defence sucks and they are getting hit too much.
     
  14. janitor

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    We have to assume that Tyson had the better chin, based on the information at out disposal.

    Frazier probably had traits to offset this, such as better recuperative powers and stamina.
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

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    you didn't but i have actually heard ******s arguing "oh he just got up because of his heart"