mike tyson innocent or guilty?

I don't recall a cut on the glove. did you just make that up? The blood on the sock contained EDTA. What facts did the defense plain and simply spin?

 

O.J. slaughtered his wife. She came out of the house, he attacked her, nearly cut her head off in a fit of rage, and that Goldman guy showed up and got killed, too.

Kim Kardashian's dad tjhought O.J. did it and read O.J.'s "suicide" note on television before the Bronco chase, that's why Kardashian looked so shocked when the verdict came back not guilty. He knew O.J. did it and couldn't believe he'd gotten off. His ex-wife, Kim Kardashian's mom, knew O.J. did, too. Robert Kardashian even said shortly before his death that the "blood evidence" in the case kept him up at night (because it proved O.J. did it).

I guess he didn't buy O.J.'s "Colombian drug smugglers did it" theory. (LOL)

 

According to Wikipedia, here is the evidence against him some presented in court and some not.


The prosecution used several tactics to show Simpson's culpability.

• DNA analysis of blood found on a pair of Simpson's socks found in his bedroom identified it as Nicole Brown's. The blood had DNA characteristics matched by approximately only one in 9.7 billion, with odds rising to one out of 21 billion when compiling results of testing done at the two separate DNA laboratories. Both socks had about 20 stains of blood.
• DNA analysis of the blood found in, on, and near Simpson's Bronco revealed traces of Simpson's, Brown's, and Goldman's blood.
• DNA analysis of bloody socks found in Simpson's bedroom proved this was Brown's blood. The blood made a similar pattern on both sides of the socks. Defense medical expert Dr. Henry Lee of the Connecticut State Police Forensic Science Laboratory testified that the only way such a pattern could appear was if Simpson had a "hole" in his ankle, or a drop of blood was placed on the sock while it was not being worn. Lee testified the collection procedure of the socks could have caused contamination.
• A few strands of African-American hair were found on Goldman's shirt.[
• Several coins were found along with fresh blood drops behind Nicole's condo, in the area where the cars were parked.
• DNA analysis of blood on the left-hand glove, found outside Brown's home, was proven to be a mixture of Simpson's, Brown's, and Goldman's. Although the glove was soaked in blood, there were no blood drops leading up to, or away from the glove. No other blood was found in the area of the glove except on the glove.
• The gloves contained particles of hair consistent with Goldman's hair and a cap contained carpet fibers consistent with fibers from Simpson's Bronco. A black knit cap at the crime scene contained strands of African-American hair.[ Several strands of dark blue cotton fibers were found on Goldman, and the prosecution presented a witness who said Simpson wore a similarly-colored sweat suit that night.
• The left-hand glove found at Nicole Brown's home and the right-hand glove found at Simpson's home proved to be a match.[
• The LA County District Attorney's Office and the Medical Examiner's Office could not explain why 1.5 cm³ of blood were missing from the original 8 cm³ taken from Simpson and placed into evidence.
• Officers found arrest records indicating that Simpson was charged with the beating of his wife Nicole Brown. Photos of Brown's bruised and battered face from that attack were shown.
• Much of the incriminating evidence: bloody glove, bloody socks, blood in and on the Bronco, was discovered by Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman. He was later charged with perjury for falsely claiming during the trial that he had not used the word "******r" within ten years of the trial. During the trial he pleaded the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination to avoid further questioning after his integrity was challenged on this point.
• The bloody shoe prints at the crime scene were identified by FBI shoe expert William Bodziak as having been made by a pair of extremely rare and expensive Bruno Magli shoes, of which it has been reported that only 299 pairs were sold in the United States. The large size 12 (305 mm) prints matched Simpson's shoe size.In the criminal trial, Simpson defense attorneys had said the prosecution had no proof Simpson had ever bought such shoes,[ however, then free-lance photographer E.J. Flammer claimed to have found a photograph he had taken of Simpson in 1993 that appeared to show him wearing a pair of the shoes at a public event, which was later published in the National Enquirer. Simpson's defense team claimed that the photograph was doctored, although other pre-1994 photos appearing to show Simpson wearing Bruno Magli shoes were since discovered and published. It should be noted that none of these photos appeared until late in the trial and not during the "big shoe debate".[
• Evidence collected by LAPD criminalist Dennis Fung came under criticism. He admitted to "having missed a few drops of blood on a fence near the bodies", but on the stand he said that he "returned several weeks afterwards to collect them".

Turns out that this several week old blood was the freshest samples of all blood collected.

• Fung admitted that he had not used rubber gloves when collecting some of the evidence. Although, the blood that was tested ruled out Fung within published guidelines.
• LA Police Detective Phillip Vannatter testified that he saw photographs of press personnel leaning on Simpson's Bronco before evidence was collected.

Evidence not presented at trial

• At the June 1994 grand jury hearing, Ross Cutlery provided store receipts indicating that Simpson had purchased a 12-inch (305 mm) stiletto knife six weeks before the murders. The knife was determined to be similar to the one the coroner said caused the stab wounds. The prosecution did not present this evidence at trial after discovering that store employees had sold their story to The National Enquirer for $12,500.[5] The knife was later collected from Simpson's residence by his attorneys who presented it to Judge Ito and subsequently was sealed in a manila envelope to be opened only if brought up at trial. It turned out not to be the murder weapon because tests on the knife determined that an oil used on new cutlery was still present on the knife indicating the knife had never been used. The police "searched" OJ's Rockingham estate 3 times and couldn't find this knife. OJ told the attorneys exactly where it was in the house and it was promptly recovered.[47]
• Jill Shively testified to the 1994 grand jury that she saw a white Ford Bronco speeding away from Bundy Drive, in such a hurry that it almost collided with another car at an intersection.[5] She talked to the television show Hard Copy for $5,000, after which prosecutors declined to use her testimony at trial.[5]

DNA evidence

Samples from bloody shoe prints leading away from the bodies and from the back gate of the condominium were tested for DNA matches.[10] Initial polymerase chain reaction testing did not rule out Simpson as a suspect. In more precise restriction fragment length polymorphism tests matches were found between Simpson's blood and blood samples taken from the crime scene (both the shoe prints in blood and the gate samples).[9][10]
Police criminalist Dennis Fung testified that this DNA evidence put Simpson at Nicole Brown's townhouse at the time of the murders. But in cross-examination by Barry Scheck, which lasted eight full days, most of the DNA evidence was questioned. Dr. Robin Cotton, of Cellmark Diagnostics, testified for six days.[19] Blood evidence had been tested at two separate laboratories, each conducting different tests.[19]
Despite that safeguard, it emerged during the cross-examination of Fung and the other laboratory scientists that the police scientist Andrea Mazzola (who collected blood samples from Simpson to compare with evidence from the crime scene) was a trainee who carried the vial of Simpson's blood around in her lab coat pocket for nearly a day before handing it over as an exhibit.]
On May 16, Gary Sims, a California Department of Justice criminalist who helped establish the Department of Justice's DNA laboratory, testified that a glove found at Simpson's house tested positive for a match of Goldman's blood

 

In CA we don't convict based on what Kim Kardashian's parents think. In fact, I could be wrong but I don't believe that's a standard in any jurisdiction...

 

did you really just copy and paste wikipedia?

 

Normally, I'd agree. But they knew more about it than just about anybody did. Nicole Simpson was best friends with the mom Kardashian. O.J. was best friends with the dad Kardashian.

The mom thought O.J. did it immediately. The dad stuck by O.J. because no one else did, even though he thought he did it, too. He was a close confidante through the entire trials. And he continued to believe O.J. did it until he died.

You can see it on Kardashian's face when the verdict is read. He's the only one not celebrating.

O.J. did it.

It doesn't take much for some people. If Ray Rice had a knife in his hand when he connected with that left hook in the elevator, his wife's head would've been rolling all over the elevator floor.

O.J. was beating the hell out of that woman for years.

Knives tend to do more damage.

 

Why is that a problem? That's what the internet is for, gathering information.

Anyway even though I recall the "Bronco Chase" this is ancient news and if you still don't think he did it, there's really no point in trying to change your mind.

 

I watched that video and what disturbed me most was him dragging her out of the elevator face first on the ground and not even checking to see if she were still alive. I've never knocked anyone out but there must be a fine line between Knocking someone out and killing them.

 

atschAzzer, Foreman! Awww dammn people!

 

He didn't care if she was alive. It looked like he just wasn't sure if he should leave her there or not.

 

I don't know whether he did or not. Certainly there's enough evidence that it is very possible he did. However, I am convinced that evidence was planted. Think about it - no murder weapon, no witnesses, and the prosecution's star witness asserts his "5th amendment privilege" when asked if he planted evidence in the case. Given that the state had the burden of proof - "beyond a reasonable doubt," the jury had no choice but to return a not guilty verdict.

One more thing: I listened to the entire trial, and day after day during the defense's case there was bombshell after bombshell. I would race home to see how the talking heads who had already convicted OJ were going to respond, but invariably the media didn't even make mention of them. If you were only able to follow the trial from news reports, like most of America, I can see how you'd be 100% convinced of his guilt, but unfortunately they gave a one sided assessment.

 

Based on his rap sheet, I'm thinking he's guilty as hell, and probably got away with a few things we'll never know about.

 

Tyson himself has said he did a lot of bad things but he never raped her but he felt it was karma for all the things hed gotten away with.

 

This isnt a Joe Frazier thread, what are you doing here?