Not really sure which way you're going with this. On one hand you're agreeing me that he wasn't a force for the entire duration that he was a pro, but then you're saying something about his relevance to the division. I guess the only point I was addressing before was your claim that he deserved credit for being "relevant" in the division from 1985-2002, which I felt needed clearing up.
reading some terrible analyses on here, to the point where I didn't even want to engage in conversation with such attitudes. nothing worse than having to point out where someone went wrong, especially when they seem to be deliberately misunderstanding anyway. Mike Tyson was a great fighter in his day, the dominant force of his era, youngest heavyweight champ and at the time almost considered unbeatable. Sometimes there are no prime greats to test yourself against, so you do what mike Tyson, joe Louis and sonny liston did, clean out the whole division leaving a whole lot of prone bodies behind you. Tysons acheivements stack up well against most heavies who are labelled 'great'.
Theres only one terrible analysis and thats Foremanjab, but were pretty much used to his drivel :good
Im saying i see it from both angles, he wasnt the force he once was, but he was still a major player in the division until Lewis beat him. So to me that is longetivity and moreso than Bowe, Prime Foreman, Marciano and Frazier.
Yep and you have been exposed as a ***** who makes accusations but when pressed to prove it becomes silent. You are a grade A puss with zero integrity or credibility. I set the ban bet for you to prove that have even 1 alt account and you puss out ,unbelievable. You are a coward just like your hero.
Why would i accept a ban bet from the likes of you? Ive been around longer. Just take a look at your own responses on this thread. If anyone needs to **** off....its you :hi: And you still havent rebutted the points i put forward.
To play along... *He never came from behind to win a fight, or got up off the floor to win one. *I hear you about the relevance part, but compared to some his prime years were relatively short. (Make that his peak years.) *Lost to 42-1 underdog Douglas in a huge upset, and then lost years later to another heavy underdog in Holyfield. One could argue that great fighters find a way to win, but Tyson if things isn't go his way, never could overcome genuine adversity. That's about all I can come up with.
Yes but not consistently from 1985-2002 as you mentioned. And if you're going to give Tyson credit as being a major player throughout his ENTIRE career, then you shouldn't limit George Foreman's to just when he was prime.
BUt Foreman was only a major player from Frazier fight to the Young fight, i think that was about 5 years?
He did, he was losing the Botha and probably the Mathis fight and the turned both of those around. Ali, Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman never got up off the floor to win a fight they were losing either. (Unless you count that Foreman was behind in the Lyle fight and Holmes was behind against Shavers). Thats truly his own fault. I believe his 'prime' was 85-91 (prison cut that short). I believe his absolute peak was 86-88. But in those two years he made 9 title defenses and literally cleaned out his whole division. You cant just look at the duration, you have to consider what he did in that period. Wladmir has a long reign and numerous title defenses, but the guy fights once or twice a year. Tyson crammed it all in within 2 years. How long was Holyfields peak? 90-92? 2 years. Foremans peak was from the Frazier to the Ali fight. That was about 2 years as well. And Bowes peak was probably 1 year maybe 2 max. Its the tall rangy fighters that have longer primes/peaks like Ali, Holmes, Lewis, Vitali and Wlad. Tyson very nearly did turn the fight round against Douglas, but against a fighter the calibre of Holyfield your going to need a bit more than just one punch to win, (which is all Tyson was relying on). Against Lewis, i feel Tyson trained as hard as he could. He knew Lewis was going to kick his beat and he trained hard for it. If you watch the fight closed, you can see Tyson had been studying tapes on Lewis because he threw plenty of right hands and overhands rights (ala Mcall/Rahman) which went sailing over Lewis' head. I believe Tyson was one fluke punch away from knocking Lewis out. But It never happened and thats why Manny was screaming at Lewis to get Tyson out of there before he makes a silly mistake.
He was at the top tier longer than Marciano. He fought more (and better) defenses than Dempsey. Are these not all time greats?