If Lara lost, why didn't Mayweather and Brook lose?

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  1. Sugah Jay

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    lara is a horrible fighter in my opinion(one of the worst fighters in this era).
    but he did beat canelo on points because i feel canelo didn't have much success because lara was on his bike for the entire fight.

    porter is horrible too and he lost due to ineffective aggression.

    if maidana fought mayweather in a different era i think he would have won. all of my buddies that watched the fight thought mayweather got his ass kicked.

    it seems like ineffective aggression only applies to those the judges want it to apply to.

    why is this???????
     
  2. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    there is definetly inconsistecnies, just watched round one and 2 of floyd vs maidana and even though maidana won round 1 he didnt really land many clean effective punches but he had floyd defending for his life against the ropes most of the round, porter did land a lot of sloppy punches against kell and kell landed the odd good clean punch, lara canelo was close too.

    The only thing i think is wrong is people act like porter was battered but maidana battered floyd, both were close in different ways
     
  3. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    canelo lara was harder to score due to more of a lack of action where porter brook and maidana floyd were like sloppy vs clean
     
  4. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I, personally, didn't think Maidana showed any more effective aggression against Mayweather than Porter did against Brook. Boxing scoring is subjective and reasonable people can look at the same thing and see something completely different.
     
  5. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    what is effective aggression?
     
  6. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    I think I know where you're going with this, but tho Floyd, Brook, and Lara have somewhat similar styles, they fought very different fights with very different opponents, of course, Lara and Floyd sharing common opponent Canelo. Aside the Canelo-Mayweather fight, Canelo-Lara and Brook-Porter were both close fights. I felt Lara gained an early lead, but Canelo landed too many bodyshots for Lara too win. Floyd stood in front of Canelo all night long yet rarely got tagged with bodyshots unlike Lara and that's cuz he was running all over the ring. In the Porter fight, Brook stuck to his game plan and with a size advantage slowly started taking over the fight and by the 2nd half what was a competitive, close fight Brook was clearly in charge as Porter was opening up way too much and getting reckless, if Brook was a big puncher Porter might been in serious trouble at the end. Porter was never able to find Brook like Canelo was able to find Lara. Big difference.
     
  7. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Brook beat Porter because he landed the cleaner, more effective shots. He controlled the range and pace, and had Porter lost, 118-110 Brook for me. Mayweather won for the same reasons but Maidana was more effective than Canelo or Porter were against Lara and Brook, 116-112 Mayweather for me. The Lara-Canelo fight could've gone either way but it's easier to make a case for Lara winning than it is the other way. I had it 114-114. Lara was not as effective as Brook or Mayweather. He had plenty of opportunities and I think he could've beat Canelo EASY but he played it too safe. I wouldn't argue if someone scored it either way though but if I HAD to pick a winner, I'd pick Lara.
     
  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    When you press the action and the other fighter cannot defend much or counter. They are constantly in retreat and are not allowed to tie up when inside. Think of Angulo vs Lara. Angulo was getting tagged but his aggression was becoming increasingly effective and he was able to wear Lara down and score 2 knock downs. Ineffective aggression was Porter vs Brook.
     
  9. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Both Lara and Canelo looked terrible against each other by the way. Canelo couldn't find his target or cut off the ring. And Lara ran too much and didn't capitalize on those countering opportunities, at least not all of them.
     
  10. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lara was a close fight. Porter and Maidana weren't close.
     
  11. Golden Boy 360

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    Lara-Canelo: Canelo didn't look pretty but he pressed the action and landed big body shots, even cut up Lara with an uppercut. Canelo Win

    Porter-Brook: Porter came forward but landed almost nothing, head or body. Ineffective aggression. Brook win

    Mayweather-Maidana: Maidana's activity was high in the first couple rounds but he fell off. Mayweather landed the clearer shots. Mayweather win

    I think Canelo-Lara was the closest fight out of the three. Although the fights might seem similar (boxer vs pressure fighter), they aren't the same.
     
  12. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the only thing is in the brook porter fight was that brook landed very little in the first half of the fight and not much more in the second, porter landed a lot of sloppy shots, and brook was typically on the retreat, in the maidana fight he had mayweathe pinned against the ropes often but a lot did miss but mayweather looked on the brink of getting hit with something big, lara basically ran from canelo and it made a lto of close rounds and then there was like 3-5 where canelo landed big to the body
     
  13. CupidStunt

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    I agree he beat Canelo, but the fight wasn't as clear cut as Floyd or Brook made theirs.

    Brook-Porter - 118-110
    Floyd-Maidana - 116-112
    Lara-Canelo- - 115-113
     
  14. Mightymike5

    Mightymike5 New Member Full Member

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    I agree with most of the guys here...except I gave the slight nudge to Canelo over Lara. But in the first fight Floyd hot the clear victory. Had to give it to him 117-11 or 116-112.

    Judging is subjective. Other sports have subjective stuff, like a referee calling a foul, but only fighting has a subjective scoring system. Football, basketball, baseball etc. no one can argue because whoever has more points wins. Fighting is different.
     
  15. garfios

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    Agreed with you on everything...