If Maidana wins, is he the defacto #1 P4P fighter in the world?

I agree with you but in that case why has JMM been ranked/continues to be ranked so high over the years?

 

I think what it will do is ascertain his HoF status.

Beating a great gets you into HoF, and though Money is now way postprime, if you couple it with the other stuff Maidana has doen its enough to give him a HoF place.

 

He does get big wins - and timely ones, at that - in order to keep rebounding enough to justify the high ranking.

After the John loss, he beat Terdsak Jandaeng for the interim WBO belt and then beat the next best available contender in Jaca to defend it when full champ Scott Harrison swerved him. (thought it was more to do with outside the ring demons than demonstrable unwillingness on Harrison's part, to be fair) - then really picked up steam with the move up to 130 beating MAB and Rocky for the green belt.

That's 4-0 (2) in championship bouts after the John loss, before which he was on a 4-0-1 streak in championship bouts, one a unification - just in case you were questioning why he was still ranked enough to get back into the championship picture coming right off the John loss. It wasn't like he was someone who just picked up a belt only to hot-potato it with a quick turnaround. He was banking credit for years.

After the Pacquiao II loss, he challenged El Cepillo who didn't actually hold any of the alphabet org titles but was the lineal and Ring champion... and stopped him. He then stopped WBO & WBA (and IBO, like anybody cares) unified titlist Juan Diaz.

After the Mayweather loss (which shouldn't have affected his rankings in lower weights anyway), he beat Diaz in a rematch and stopped Katsidis to defend the belts and eliminate the "interim" holder of the WBO version from the picture.

After the Pacquiao III robbery, he sauntered right back into a title bout to claim a belt (counting interims) in a fourth division, dominating and shutting out Fedchenko.

Then, KO6.


After the Bradley loss, he bounced right back with the schooling of Alvarado.


Every time he loses he gets a big W. Now, you could argue that he gets more title opportunities than most guys usually get coming off his losses - but his track record supports and validates that, because he consistently makes good on those opportunities.

 

I don't see how it makes sense

Rigo beat the #4 p4p fighter in Donaire and automatically got placed as a top 3-4 p4p fighter at the time, makes no fking sense.

Maidana has a chance of beating the #1 p4p fighter and barely makes top 10?

Lol.

Maidana (Even with this win) should not be anywhere near top 5, Rigo shouldn't have been there either.

Rigo should have been 10-15
Maidana will be 10-15 with this win

 

Rigondeaux was already in there.

 

He was NOT a top 10 p4p fighter b4 his win vs Donaire.

To my knowledge, he was close to 15-17 when he won that fight.

 

Whose list do you mean?

 

I'm very sure the ring never had Rigo as a top 10 p4p fighter before he beat Donaire.

I don't think many lists did either.

Can't just put him there because of his talent.

His resume before Donaire was lackluster at best without a big win. Beating Kennedy/Marroquin/Cordoba does not get you into the top 10 p4p list.

The only reason why Rigo was placed so high after the Donaire win was because he looked so dominant over a top 4 p4p fighter.

 

That's true. If Maidana wins it likely won't be by some dominating, virtuoso performance. It will be by war of attrition.

 

From his sixth bout on, prior to Donaire, he embarked on a 5-0 (2) streak in world title bouts with all five opponents being legitimate, ranked super bantamweights. I repeat, he started that after six pro bouts' worth of experience. That's lackluster?

He may not have been within ten but he was creeping up on it and ringing the doorbell - more than Maidana is at present (he basically isn't, period) - and then dominated a guy who as of then was pretty high up there.

If he were as close now as Rigondeaux was then, of course upsetting Mayweather (dominant or not) would launch Maidana into the upper reaches.

He isn't, so it won't. (wouldn't, rather, since that probably won't happen)

 

Thanks for the detailed answer :good I think you're spot on here although I do reckon JMM has been ranked a little too high on occasion

 

Lacklustre was probably the wrong word to use. He definitely had a very good resume for 11 wins at the time.

But even so, even beating Mayweather (now at 37) is probably a bigger deal than beating a 2012 Donaire.

If Marcos manages to get the knockout, I'd imagine that it would propel him a lot in the rankings.

I dare say, 10-15. Most lists would consider it a massive massive win (I don't because of May's age but May is ranked #1 and #1 by far and away, so it would be a great accomplishment to many).

Very possible.

I personally thought Rigo being ranked #2-#3 was a little ridiculous. An amazing win, but a little ridiculous. #6-7 was probably more suitable.

 

I'm actually fine with all that. :good

 

Dafuq...???


Wlad never fought Lennox...!!!

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More action in the aftermath of that fight (3 second scene of that ring tussle) than Wlad's last 10 fights. :deal