Do Lewis' win over Tyson and Calzaghe's over RJJ hold any credibility?

Prime Lewis beats prime Tyson. Prime Jones beats prime Calzaghe.

 

having said that shot2**** Jones still dropped Calzaghe in round 1, giving us an inkling of how the fight would have transpired if jones was prime, a possible very early stoppage = explaining why Calzaghe waited till jones started his eurobum tour in order to challenge him, Joe didn't want to add an early stoppage loss to his resume.


now, shot Tyson never got anywhere near dropping lewis.

 

Lennox Lewis is a year older than Mike Tyson. That Mike Tyson peaked before Lewis made his professional debut is hardly Lewis' fault.

There's no point in time when both at world level, when Lewis wouldn't have beat Tyson. Prime for prime, Lewis would have been too good for him too.

As with Calzaghe, again, it's hardly like peak Calzaghe fought weakest Roy Jones either. People tend to only view these one way. If they like RJJ, they simply substitute the best RJJ in to fight the version of Calzaghe he fought - not sure how that can be justified as an argument?

For the record, I think it's close to a 50/50 fight at their primes - perhaps just in favour of RJJ. Styles make fights - Calzaghe throws so many punches that he's a handful for any version of Jones in my opinion.

 

And no the fights were meaningless that's like counting. Holmes win over Ali ..They beat the names not the fighters!

 

fixed

 

its not fixed its an opposite opinion of yours.

 

hardly, its just pitting prime joe calzaghes volume of inaccurate but ineffective slaps with roys accurate, effective knockout blows at speed.

joe getting floored whilst postprime by shot2**** jones has to mean he gets floored more hes prime against prime jones.

however its academic because we know for sure that joe purposely waited for the best to fade to what he thought was shot, before beating his chest and challenging them, in order to avoid losses. NOone can argue with this because IT IS WAHT HE DID IN REAL LIFE.

 

none what so ever

 

Slappy Joe was shot when he fought RoidJJ.

 

They were top 10 fighters in their divisions at the time so I can't call them terrible wins, but Mike and Roy couldn't live up to their name value at that point. They were simply too far gone.

So, yes, you can call the wins credible in the fact it was a rated opponent, but the value doesn't match up at all with what a win over younger versions of Roy or Mike would've.

 

i consider them to be good wins. they're not great or anything, like they would have been if they were both at their best. but still good.

both Tyson and Jones were still top ten when the fights happened.

Tyson around that time had beaten Golota (someone who would go on to beat both Byrd and Ruiz only to get stiffed on the cards) and would have beaten a fighter like Ruiz if not for him being with Don King, so it was never going to happen. so he was still capable at World level. not forgetting that Lewis himself was in his second to last fight when going in.

Jones wouldn't have had the success that Tyson would have, had he fought the top ten LHW's, but would have beaten at least a couple of them. Calzaghe was in his final fight when they got it on.

you can't judge the versions of Jones and Tyson to their best versions, as it wouldn't allow people to be fair in their assessments. judge them on whether they were still good fighters at the time to get a better reading of events. they were, so they're good wins at the very least. especially when you factor in that Lewis and Calzaghe were at the very end of their careers also.

 

Lewis's win over Tyson was still a semi-good win for Lewis.

Obviously it wasn't a peak Tyson in there and Lewis shouldn't get nearly the credit Douglas or even Holyfield get for beating Tyson.

But its not what Tyson wasn't when he fought Lewis but what he was.

Tyson was still rated a top 10 fighter with major league power. At the time he fought Lewis he was still running right through fringe contenders like Golota, Entienne, and Savareese.

That won't match Tyson at his peak but when everything is added up its still enough to say he belonged in the top 10 which makes it a nice enough win for Lewis.

 

Not one bit. But both fights put allot of asses in the seats and made nice revenue for all 4 fighters.

 

who at heavy could he have beaten? he saw a chance to knock off one of the worst titleists ever(ruiz) and took it. then ran like a thief in the night, out of the division.

 

Of course they do.

Lewis would've destroyed any version of Tyson. Barring tyson catching him dead cold in the first few minutes. And super Joe would've been a total nightmare for any version of Jones too