Do Lewis' win over Tyson and Calzaghe's over RJJ hold any credibility?

Its not credible to Joe Calzaghe, Joe calzaghe calls you a liar.

What do you say to Joe, are you lying, or is he? Its one or the other, pick one -

A. joe cowardzaghe is a liar, or
B. Failey is a liar.

but you have to pick one option, or else you are a fail.

 

In the context of how Jones and Tyson were rated when the fights happened.

Tyson, as I said, was rated #1 Heavyweight, second only to Lewis in the division. People at the time clearly thought he was still one of the division's most dangerous fighters. That he wasn't half the fighter he used to be and didn't have half the dedication he used to have is obvious now but at the time he was still considered a dangerous opponent. The beating he took against Lewis destroy what was left of his fighting spirit and exposed him for the shot-fighter he was.

Jones was #6 rated Light Heavyweight in the world, he was a long way from his prime and everybody accepted that but people thought he was recapturing some of his former glory. Not only did Calzaghe hype Jones for the fight but others chose Jones to win - Hopkins said Jones would win by UD, Lewis thought it would be a close fight that Jones would win on points, Lacy went for Jones, so did Glen Johnson, Vernon Forest, Paulie Malignaggi, Winky Wright, and expert pundits Dan Rafeal, Gordon Marino, Tim Smith, Franklin McNeil and Bobby Cassidy all went for a Jones win. The fact of the matter is, at the time the fight happen people expected it to be competitive even if they thought Jones had no chance of winning.

Therefore, in context, Lewis's win over Tyson was credible in that he defeated the man thought at the time to be the next most dangerous fighter in the division after himself, while Calzaghe's win over Jones was credible at the time because Jones was still thought to be amongst the division's top ten fighters.

In hindsight its hard to give that much credit to Lewis's win at all given that Tyson was just treading water at the time - in as much as he was only fighting for the money and wasn't trying to win anything - and its even harder to given any credit at all to Calzaghe's win over Jones since it was little more that one last big payday for Joe, but looked at through the context of the time then they should have some credibility even if its only a tiny bit.

 

no one has written that they weren't.

except you, now.

 

I think the difference is most people think prime for prime Lewis schools Tyson wherein most people pick RJJ to beat Calzaghe in the same scenario. Personally the steroid accusations make it difficult for me to form an opinion on that fight had it happened.

 

:deal

 

you just replied to me, so you fail-lied blatantly there.

its an open discussuion forum. if you don't want replies, don't post.

if you cant reply, dodge out of the question. oh...you just did dodge it.

 

Prime Lewis doesn't school anyone Tyson with. Rooney was a different fighter .. Lets also not forget that a prime Lewsi was starched in 2 rds by on of Tyson's former sparring partners ..


And no version of Joe beats a prime. Jones Hell an old one almost finished him in 2 but yeah that was due to steroids atsch

 

this is precisely why Joe waited till JOnes was going to turn 40, so that if it transpired as with Hopkins that Jones still possessed the skills FAR IN EXCESS of Joes inaccurate slaps, Joe had the option to rally later by outgassing the by then defenceless, gasping old man.


Actually that was one of Joes weapons all his career, on the rare occasion he faced someone with world class offense, he would throw more to compensate for his lesser accuracy and much lesser power.

 

Joe knew exactly what type of Jones he was facing ..He even admitted it after Jones lost to Tarver ..Honestly I think he wanted to share the ring with his idol no matter the stage and wanted to try to convince him that hey see I am as good as you ..

 

trevor berbick was never so deluded....at least he knew he was had done very little in his career.

difference being trev was just starting, joes career was over. Although Joe did beat KESSLER.

 

Right and. Tyson isn't holding his win over Holmes in such high regard .

 

bit rough to compare undisputed atg precendent setter Tyson with backdoor hof joe cal, but I get you. Joe wouldn't get in hof if he was in MW or LHW, he needed the smallest title in a new minnow division to pull it off.

yeah Tyson and Berbick didn't do no whoop with joy and chest beating and ducking prime challengers and do a very gay chicken laugh from a far away distance at froch whilst running shitscared away from him to avoid defeat, when they beat up their old men.

To be fair, Holmes was still pretty good at 37. Jones and Ali were shot2****, though they did their best and were still game.

 

Jabbing didn't work on prime Tyson. He was constructed to slip n counter the jab.

Lewis pawed his jab and kept his right hand low. He'd be knocked clean out by Mike in the same manner Williams was.
2002 Mike Tyson was barely a fighter at that point and had only 2-3 rounds of intimating his former self left in him.

 

Neither one of these were very impressive wins. Name on the resume more than anything else. Similar to Mayweather's win over Mosely. Fight was made for the money more than the competitive nature.