Wlad Klitschko vs Jack Johnson

Mcvey at 5'10 is close to Wlad's size? Jeffries hadn't fought in 5 years and he looked the part. Martin was alright but by no means similar to Wlad in style nor very good.

The thing is, you just compare these two times. Gloved boxing was in a transition back then from centuries of bareknuckle boxing+wrestling. Boxing then was throw a roundhouse punch, fall in a clinch, wrestle a bit, try to get a punch in, and repeat. None of Johnson's opponents show any outside game whatsoever. He was a defensive wizard for his time, but he never had to deal with someone who throws a decent jab or 1-2. He wouldn't know what hit him when it's a modern boxer in front of him.

 

Well he is closer than those guys mentioned were to Jacks Defensive skill, but if you dont like the pick, just replace him Russell, Ferguson or McLaglen. Johnson beat his share of decent sized fighters.

So, none of Johnsons opponents show any outside game. Not even Willard? Maybe they showed no outside game because they were outclassed. Not many of Joe Louis' opponents showed much of a game either! In fact, i dare say that not many of Klitchsko's opponents showed much of an outside game either. To suggest that they couldnt throw a decent one two is just silly. Peter Jackson was known for the 1-2 punch and it was always a common bread and butter punch, it wasnt just invented recently you know. And as for the jab, I will acknowledge taht with squarer stances and ND fights, it was more of a power punch than a scorer (no point piling up points if there are no decisions), but old guys could still throw it. There is no doubt that Johnson's jab was an awful lot quicker than 99%, if not 100% of todays heavyweights. To be honest, i would have thought taht that alone probably makes it better.

 

Martin was a sting bean. When Johnson beat McVey, he was a teenager. Jeffries was a lot bigger than Byrd in a tale of the tape sense. The Jeffries Johnson beat had not fought in 5 years.

I fail to see great defense from Johnson on film. When he's not clinching, he;s hittable with a low guard, and somewhat stationary boxing stance. While pulling back from a telegraphed punched from a much shorter less skilled fighter worked for Johnson, he would quickly run out of real estate if he tired the same vs. Wlad.

In fact, I think James Toney on film has better defense than Jack Johnson does, and Toney got out boxed by a much bigger Sam Peter.

 

I am sorry, but if you seriously think that none of Johnsons oponents threw a jab or a 1-2 then you are living in a world verry far remote from reality.

Have you ever actualy read any round by round acounts of fights from this period?

These things were all used by fighters in the era of Jem Mace. I would also dispute what you say about boxing being in a transitional state. I think that most of the key atributes of gloved boxing emerged in the bareknuckle era. The fighters who exceled in these aspects of the game simply promoted gloved boxing because it maximised their advantage.

 

Johnson fought quite a few tall guys who were over 200lbs.
Martin
Russell
Kaufman
Ferguson
To name just four, he seemed to do allright against them.
Eddie Futch rated Johnson, with Louis and Ali as the three greatest heavyweights of all time, thats a good endorsement imo.

 

Oh well, thats it then.
The oracle has spoken.

 

Bull Young.
Willard was quite effective at winning a fight from behind his telegraph pole of a jab , he made the most of his size.

 

Why not?

 

Its not impossible for the huge W.K. to slice and dice Ol' Johnson in a time machine cuz I can picture this happening, since Johnson never fought a hulk with the tools that Wladdy Klit owns...

However, if Klit were to tire in rds 8 or 9, I could see Johnson going to work on him and putting some ass-whip on Klit...

An interesting match that either guy could win. It depends on who is successful in controlling the range and tempo.. Again, Johnson never fought a hulk as skilled as Wlad Klit before...

A Toss-Up.:deal

MR.BILL:hat

 

Johnson drops wlad early end it there.

 

How?

I'm very curious to see how you think Johnson is able to land a fight defining punch against Wlad.

 

It is BULLCHIT that MRBILL isn't posting here anymore. :bart

 

A Sting Bean.:huh??? McVey was 20 when Johnson gave him his worst hiding, stopping him in the last round.He weighed 207lbs for that fight 17lbs more than Johnson.
That's the same age that 170lbs Georges Carpentier was when he dropped your White Hope Gun Boat Smith.
Same age Tyson was when he won the title.:good

Johnson fought lots of men bigger than himself, and even when fat and dissipated at 37 he was in front after 20rds against 6'6" Willard.
Are you confusing him with Jim Jeffries who always fought smaller men?:think