Bert Gilroy ranked with Apostoli - ahead of LaMotta - in 1942

He was not ranked. The Ring ranks a top 4, then ranks the next 11, and puts Gilroy in the third tier of middleweights with the also rans; a bunch of other journeymen and fringe contenders and a fading Apostoli. That does not equate to being world class.

 

No they dont rate him as worldclass at all ,they put him in the same category as those fighters listed in that group ,fighters that for the most part lost nearly half their fights, and some more than half , and mostly against other journeymen, by simple definition that is NOT WORLD CLASS. How could it be.?

Gilroy never beat a world class fighter ,he never beat a European champion ,he never beat an English national champion.

Every time he stepped up in class he was beaten, and by stoppage, its in the records!!!!! Look them up!
I'm proud of my family, my Uncle was the unbeaten street- fighting champion of my town, but I don't go around telling people he was a
any more than a good street fighter. There's loyalty and there's blind hero worship.
This is Gilroy's record on CBZ. Guess who provided it and the accompanying comments? James Glenn

Who is James Glenn ? Gilroy's grandson!

Through familial ties he has a vested interest in perpetuating this myth .

The mystery is why you have swallowed it hook, line ,and sinker?


Now stop being a total vagina , because your insistance on this stance in the face of insurmountable evidence to the contrary only makes you come across as gullible fool .

 

Well no one will miss you because you're a dough nut!:hi:

 

He isnt atsch There are two groups of ranked figthers ,then there is a group ranked alphabetically ,which is comprised of journeymen and ONE former world class fighter who was badly on the slide.

Take the trouble to look up those fighters records, who they met, who they beat, and who beat them ? I did.
Then come back when you know what the **** you are talking about!!!

 

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You take the ball and run home :|

 

thanks for taking the time Sir.

Bert Gilroy became WORLD ClASSED in 1938 and remained there until 1949.

in those years he was also Rated No.1 in Britain from 1939-48
and in the WORLD Classifications from 1940 - 46, he was 3 years and whole classifications ahead of his fellow British Contenders and the remaining 3 years of that period he shared Equal Classification with Hawkins, McCleave, Davies & McCusker at different years in those 3 years.

from 1939 - 1949, MOST of his British opponents and a few other fighters from overseas WERE also World Classed noted fighters.

so he fought more than mcvey is trying to claim, even among Top 10 rated contenders...

Sadd x 3
Mills
Wood**** x 2
Hawkins
Cerdan
****ell

again his other top opponents were all Top 10 Rated in Britain, Europe, Canada and a few other counties, and again WORLD Classed fighters...

they were World Classed and/or fringe contenders...

I mean just because mcvey can't or won't count past 11 (Champ & Top 10), does that mean the next 20, 30 or 40 even (a very strong era, perhaps the overall greatest even, does that mean that next fringe bunch are no good, or not capable of winning titles?

today we've even got the very same thing with 'Potentially' 55 names if there are no cross over names in the different Sanctioning Body Ratings.
But even with the cross over names we've usually got 25-30 names... and these are dire times for 'overall' talent levels, unlike the competitive 1940s.

lastly what about "Fighters can only fight whose put in front of them...
is this Bert's fault he couldn't get a title tilt when he was entitled to one.
even in the British RingSider Magazine in 1946, it stated "Bert Gilroy has been waiting for a title fight a very long time!

mcvey I'll ask you a few questions.

is Boxing Crooked or on the Level?

have fighters ever gotten Robbed of a decision?
have Ratings ever been scoffed at, manipulated or controlled?
has this ever been reported on, or ended up in the Courts even?

have fighters HAD to step outside of their divisions to get fights?

have fighters ever had to dry-out on short notice for a fight?
are fighters effected by rapid weight loss from drying out?

have fighters ever been Shut Out or Frozen Out from titles?

MOST serious Boxing fans no the answer to these questions.
these things happen regularly in boxing and at different times, and with some fighters, to indiscriminate levels.

So what's the reason you won't attribute some of these factors to Senior Gilroy - even though they are RECORDED FACT?

the truth is we're not talking about Bert Gilroy, but for reason's not quite clear it's me we're talking about mcvey, isn't it.

marginalise him(me) and Gilroy's case remains still unknown!

I will repeat, the DOCUMENTATION IS THERE FOR GILROY just as it is for some other fighters!

Ratings
World Classifications
Robberies
Dropped from Title Contention
Fighting UP Out of his division to get fights
Questions
Commentaries
and forecast from TOP SCRIBES & Boxing People!!!

and thank God some others have Gilroy Reports too.

I only ever use 4 boxing sites and really only 1-2 now and occasionally at that, out of dozens available.

"Let the Lord God Almighty correct you" for what you do to people, it seems the rest of us can't!

 

Whatever those groups mean, I've little idea, but their ratings for the period ending January 13, 1942, printed in the very next issue after the one a page from which was linked to in the first post, looked like this:

Middleweights (148 to 160)
World's Champion Tony Zale
1-Georgie Abrams
2-Ezzard Charles
3-Ernie Vigh
4-Coley Welch
5-Ceferino Garcia
6-Steve Belloise
7-Antonio Fernandez
8-Fred Apostoli
9-Ron Richards
10-Ossie Stewart

 

That's why I said I've little idea what those groups mean in the February 1942 issue if their rankings a month later look like that.