Hopkins greater than Jones if he beats Kovalev

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  1. Jeff3300

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    Hopkins > Jones for me. This fight cements it.
    To my mind, he’s now overtaken Roy (especially if he beats Kovalev). I believe you have to take into account their post-2003 body of work. While many (Rafael etc) have stated that they don’t believe Jones’s deterioration should be counted against him, I believe it should, just as Hopkins’s longevity and ability to adjust his style is one of his greatest feats. After all, beating guys like Shumenov and Murat is what Jones spent his prime years doing!
    RJJ, in my view:
    a.) Was never the true champion in any single division he fought at.
    b.) Had distinctly average technique, which was masked by extraordinary athleticism (and exposed once the reflexes slipped just a tad).
    c.) Ushered in the era of HBO-funded mismatches, thanks to his absurd contracts and enormous guarantees regardless of opposition.
    I don’t think history will be too kind to him, and I actually think his legacy has been quite damaging to the sport. Hopkins, on the other hand, will be looked at favourably by generations to come. They’ll forget fights like Dawson and focus on his extraordinary achievements against the likes of Trinidad and Pavlik.
    Good for Popkins!
     
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  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Hopkins is already greater than jones win lose or draw.:deal
     
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  3. Pravda

    Pravda The Poster Of Record. Full Member

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    Hopkins is greater than Jones, but won't beat the Krusher
     
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  4. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Hopkins has surpassed Jones in all time greatness, but h2h at their peaks I'll always pick RJJ. At his best the guy was a once in a lifetime phenom.
     
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  5. progamer

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    h2h. jones.

    atg ranking, he has a case to surpass jones.

    imo, jones beating bhop and toney in their primes is still better than anything on bhop;'s resume.

    bhop is definitely above corpsejr by fighting kovalev alone.

    if he beats kovalev, joecal >>> corpsejr too.
     
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  6. ValentinePrince

    ValentinePrince Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joecal's stock continues to rise years after he retired.. I love the way boxing legacies work:lol:
     
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  7. progamer

    progamer Boxing Junkie banned

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    hmmm, seems like only corpsejr resume only gets better when his previous opponents win, right?

    the point is, no one gave a stock when joecal wins against bhop and jones citing they were both past their primes.

    well bhop disagreed.

    and joecal went up a division, iirc, to fight both, on his farewell tour. means he himself was on his last legs.

    again, joecal win on bhop is better than any win on corpsejr's career.

    you can disaggrree.
     
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  8. BagsWithDust

    BagsWithDust Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i can agree with that. I would even go as far as to say that hopkins has accomplished more especially at his age
     
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  9. TheGOAT

    TheGOAT The Champ is Here ! banned

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    Sugar Valuev...is that you?!
     
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  10. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Finally this guy is talking sense.

    It's like he is intentionally obtuse at times.
     
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  11. southpaw1974

    southpaw1974 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No matter how he does it, how ugly or how close the fight is, if Hopkins finds a way to beat Kovalev I will give him so much credit. Krusher is a whole different breed of "white boy".
     
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  12. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Jones Jr is around 30th in my all time rankings.
    If Hopkins beats Kovalev and Kovalev continues to win big, then Hopkins will shoot up the ATG rankings undoubtedly.
     
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  13. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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    Looks better like this.
     
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  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    What on earth is this corpsejr. nickname about? I only know who it actually refers to because the jr. part.
     
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  15. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    this.
     
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