Bert Gilroy ranked with Apostoli - ahead of LaMotta - in 1942

You totally contradict yourself with the excuse that fights are missing because you constantly trumpet about all the research you have done and the access you have had to files and reports that we mere mortals haven't seen.

Now those with absolutely awful stats including one guy who being 0-1-0 and 1- 1-0 who stopped Gilroy twice inside a round:

Have dozens [hundreds,] of wins airbrushed/erased from their records?

Don't tell us, their other fights are all wins and they have mysteriously dissapeared from their resumes, another CONSPIRACY!

Add another 100 fights to their resumes!!!Why aren't they there NOW!!!


Now if these countless ,mythical, unrecorded fights existed ,given that many if not most of those had losing records ,would it not be likely that any missing fights would probably be losses?
How would that enhance Gilroys standing?
I was initially careful not to be too harsh with you respecting your familial loyalty, however misplaced ,but your wilful refusal to accept reality is starting to get up my nose.

I'm not trying to discredit Bert Gilroy and havent done so because apart from yourself, no one thinks he was the world beater you claim him to have been.
He was a good honest fighter , a very good journeyman, the bread and butter of the game ,and you are right to be proud of him being a part of your family.
But he wasn't world class ,and the few times he ventured into it he was put firmly in his place with stoppage losses on each occasion.
The only person being discredited here is yourself and you are accomplishing that without any assistance from me or anyone else!

If you have a desire to be publicly humiliated then you've come to the right place!
If you can take the stick, I can dish it out !

Sincerely mate, take a step back, have a think and see where you are with this because there is only ridicule waiting for you at the end of this road,and by insisting on walking it you will inadvertedly cause the real standing of your grandpappy to be retrospectively devalued to a level he does not deserve.

 

BoxRec data is INCOMPLETE for most of the data base... they tell you that themselves.

most fighters back then had long and full careers, especially in Britain, most fighters fought well over a 100 fights and more.

but in typical mcvey fashion it doesn't suit to acknowledge that.

 

"The torch I carry is handsome,it's worth its heartache in ransome".:good

 

I've been reading this thread for a while now with some interest.
I've quite admired the way you've stood your ground and fought your grandfathers corner on here, even though you've generally been schooled.
On top of that though,with this post you've also exposed yourself as a bigot.

 

I have NO Politics nor Nationalistic ties, I happily LOVE and reside in ENGLAND.

were Brits and Europeans bigots during the war because they recognised the Evils of Germany's Rulers?

are other nations bigots for pointing a finger at an alledged War Mongering USA?

NO, these people are not bigots or particularily patriotic either for 'recognising' wrong doing.

so what is the difference for "a Brit" recognising the ills & evils of a British Throne?

No politics at all, just Godly Moral concern.

Spiritual alignment if anything at all!

 

you don't know life in Britain klomp it has a division & prejudice STILL Alive today of PRO England, WE are the Greatest and the Scots, Irish, and the COLOURED Foreign imports are Sub Par... Britain is the most racist place in Europe and ALWAYS has been.

If that's not a bigoted and totally false line then I don't know what is. It's rather ironic the day after the evil English gave the opressed Scots an oppurtunity to break away and run themselves which they rejected.

 

Oh I see what you've confused... you've read "We are the greatest" as though I said that, NO, that's me expressing what the British Ruling classes state or adhere too.

No not my views at all. :good

 

Don't speak for all of us Thistle. Where I love it's very multi cultural and raciscm is fairly minimal.

 

What does it matter? your grandchildren will have to choose between decapitation, conversion to _____, or maybe if the immigrants' descendants will employ the European mercy, they will also be able to pay the jiziya.
Europe is committing a stage by stage suicide ever since WW2 is over.

 

Who were 'they' and why would 'they' want to freeze out Gilroy?

 

It doesnt change that Gilroy wasnt rated in the top ten and could have conceivably been rated as low as 33, along with a lot of guys who were journeymen at best. You can post the year end ratings for 1940 (Gilroy's best year) and you wont see him rated any higher there either.

 

1943 was his best year in the RING'S - World Ratings & Classifications...

and he was also Classified in those same Ring Ratings for 9 of the 12 years he was World Classed and of course No.1 at home for 8 of 11 years.

But of course I don't have them ratings either, nor any fight reports, nor anything else, the man's a ghost, he didn't even exist!