Hopkins greater than Jones if he beats Kovalev

Hopkins may well be ahead of jones on the atg list. Thats up for debate but as far as who is the better fighter well the both fought in the same era and jones was always above hopkins so why change now? Jones is argured as the greatest of all time debate, as much as i dont think heis some regard him that high. Hopkins would never pop up in that convo so that proves my point

 

I personally can't see it.

Roy won titles at 4 weights.

He was considered the best fighter in the world for ten years.

He beat fighters with absolute ease, who'd done good things before, and who went on to do good things afterwards.

He had a few fights at JMW, and won a version of the HW title with ease.

He went back down, to recapture the LHW titles in his next fight.

He scored spectacular knockouts, and went through his prime years, without hardly losing any rounds.

He unified the LHW division.

He beat Hopkins with a fractured hand, and Hopkins didn't go on to lose for another 12 years.

Hopkins priced himself out of a rematch in 2002, and moved up to LHW to chase for the rematch when he knew Roy was done.


Hopkins is a great fighter, but Roy has had the better wins, he was more dominant, and he's achieved more.

The only thing that Hopkins has, that Roy doesn't, is longevity.

Everything else is in Roy's favour.

 

:good

 

People, are forgetting g a couple of things


Had Roy stayed at middle. Hopkins would have never had the run he had ,remember it was Roy's belt he picked up after Jones moved up..He also didn't. Move to light heavyweight until. Jones was no longer a factor yet he started at light HW .And Hopkins feasted on smaller men ..

All Hopkins has is his longevity ! People also forget that against the best opponents he faced in Jones, Calzaghe ,Dawson and Taylor he lost ! Jones at least has wins over. Hopkins and Toney .Add that to McCallum ,Johnson and Hill who are also hall of famers and what does Hopkins have ? Tito Oscar ?

Again all smaller fighters ... Like Atlas told him" The only reason your beating these guys is because their not that good "

I mean Pascal,Shumenov really ? Sorry but not putting Hopkins above Jones np based on those wins !

 

you're discounting hopkins' reign at MW because jones moved up after beating him, and then in the next breath you're trying to credit calzaghe beating him when he was 40, when he had a lifetime to risk his mantle previously and face him when it mattered most

selective memory is a fine thing

 

Hopkins is already greater than Jones, even if he is KO'd in the 1st round by Kovalev.

 

Hopkins has already passed Jones.

 

Sure he is

 

No I'm pointing out that the best guys he faced he lost to .Jones when at his best didn't lose,to guys that posed a particular stylistic nightmare for him that's the difference .


And I'm not discounting that reign but simply pointing out that the reign would have never taken place had Roy stayed at middle ..These are factors that need to be considered when looking at the 2 ..And head to head when they were closer to their prime who got the better of who ?

And we all know about Joe the guy wasted his best years feasting on bums .

 

Why isn't he? He unified all 4 Middleweight titles, had the record number of defences, won the lineal light heavyweight title twice and is the oldest fighter to win a world title, and unlike Jones has never been caught juicing. :hi:

 

Good post.

Everyone has different criteria.


Mine is as follows:


Viewing their opposition and the timing of the fights.

Looking at what their opponents had done prior to their fights.

Looking at what they went onto do afterwards.

Looking at their dominance.

Looking at the manner of their victories.

Looking at their overall achievements.

Looking at any circumstances relating to any of their wins.

Looking at their losses.

Looking at their longevity.


I stand by my initial post.

IMHO, Roy had the better wins overall, he was more dominant, and he achieved more.

Bernard has the great longevity, but it isn't enough.

 

RJJ is one of my all-time favorites but Hopkins is already greater and certainly doesn't need to beat Kovalev to get there.

 

how do you figure that?

 

His insane longevity all alone puts him above many great fighters. Seriously, how many fighters are able to do what Hopkins is doing and successfully?. They could barely make it in one hand in you count them.

 

His achievements and what he's able to do at his current age. At the moment they're close and many arguments could be made that RJJ rates above. However, if Hopkins does it and becomes the first ever in history to unify a division at 50 years of age then he goes above RJJ and a discussion can't really be made.