The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru3MZcNQ8SQ

:deal

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0asg6yI4ycQ

someone simply ducked the fight

 

fake, fake, fake...

 

if the NSAC investigated Floyd for his "willingness" to fight Pac maybe he can say it's fake too :rofl

 

FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR:

- ''If the fight did happen with Pacquiao, I wouldn't be pleased with it''

- ''Manny Pacquiao does not make the PPV numbers like me''

- ''Pacquiao has been knocked out and has LOSSES''

- ''Pacquiao can have the belt''

- ''He's got to give me fights with Mayweather Promotions. If he don't give me no fights under Mayweather Promotions, then he's not getting the fight''

- ''Pacquiao is only doing drug testing now because of taxes''

- ''Pacquiao brings nothing to the table''

- ''What If I lose?''

 

So Manny Actually thought All Access was completely real?

 

More than Maidana and Ortiz.

 

I don't want to hear responses like '47-0 TBE :deal ' and all this rubbish. This is for actual discussion for those who have a high enough knowledge.

Disclaimer
Mayweather is a Top 50 ATG IMO so I recognise the holistic greatness of his career.

This ISN'T about Manny Pacquiao. The only relevance Manny Pacquiao has in this discussion is that for one reason or the other, Mayweather didn't fight a prime Manny Pacquiao and Floyd may only fight a very past prime 2016 version of an offensive fighter in Pacquiao, which will have no real significance for resume.

Ok:

Mayweather's Record
Mayweather is 45-1-1 in my opinion for starters (initial loss to Castillo and a draw against Maidana in a fight which could be seen as 115-113 either way in a fight where even Floyd's biggest fans can't agree other what rounds Mayweather lost).

Mayweather's Resume
Floyd's biggest wins are against 'very good' opposition, not great. There's literally no-one GREAT on his resume that were great on fight night.
Castillo, Corrales, legit past prime De La Hoya, Canelo, Cotto, Genaro, maybe Hatton even though he isn't a WW.
I have something to say about De La Hoya.
a. It was a 2007 version of DLH who was 154lbs. This DLH is 4 years past prime.
b. De La Hoya had a reputation even during his prime and youth of gassing out. De La Hoya was drawing with Mayweather after 8 rounds but then he lost steam (which has even more effect when you're past prime), which allowed Mayweather to win. The bracketed statement is the main thing I'm emphasising here because it's forgotten by people.


'Good-only Wins that are confused as Very Good wins':
Juan Manuel Marquez
- Floyd beat a fat, slow and heavily outweighed Marquez who fights a style which stylistically suits Floyd.
- I can't give Floyd the full weighting of that win because Marquez wasn't conditioned properly for that fight.
- It's not Floyd's fault but it has effect on his resume.

Past prime Mosley
- This isn't the same Mosley that dominated back in 2000. This is the Mosley of 2010, you shouldn't forget that.
- Great fighters tend to have their last great performance at the end of their careers and never rise again. For Mosley it was against Antonio Margarito.
- But notice that Floyd fought Mosley 15 months after that fight - against a heavily ageing dude, that can make all the difference.

Everyone else are good wins but pretty damn underwhelming. People like Guerrero, Ortiz, Baldomir, Judah, Jesus Chavez, Maidana (yet Mayweather has problems with a B grader in Maidana - just imagine how Mayweather vs a ready Duran would be like). These are guys that any other Great would beat, too. Even Oscar De La Hoya for example would steamroll through this opposition better than Mayweather did tbh.


We haven't seen Mayweather fight enough stylistic threats (which have a big effect on greatness) like prime Pacquiao, Margarito, Williams. Instead Mayweather ducked them and went into a long retirement when he should have fought them in that period of time as they were seen as the main guys gunning for Mayweather then.

Mayweather's Longevity
It must be applauded for being 38 and still on top.
That's not the only side of the story however...
- Other greats would fight with injuries, 3 times a month etc. and would have significant wear and tear as a result of it.
- Mayweather fights a negative, defensive style and has 12 month breaks.


Mayweather fighting people who have a weight advantage:
A great feat, no doubt.
You have to understand Mayweather would also feel weak fighting at 147lbs, and slow moving above that. So this is the only weight he can really be whilst being able to have optimal athleticism. Someone like Maidana who outweighs him by 15lbs etc. still has a welterweight frame.


Conclusion
I've been left underwhelmed by the career of a Top 50 ATG. I get that his performances looked great, but it would fighting opposition who aren't exactly special. The greats of the past has left me wanting more from Floyd.
Mayweather isn't even the best fighter today, that belongs to Guillermo Rigondeaux who only most likely loses to Wilfredo Gomez, in history.

I will try to read all the responses, it is freshers week for me so I'm busy.

 

:deal

and *****s holding on to that 40M phone call :rofl

 

Well if you have him in your all time top 50, then that's higher than I have him and if you 'All time greats' are more than 50, then that's more than me too.

As things stand with Mayweather, he will be more remembered for who he didn't fight than who he did, which is a great shame for such a talented individual.

 

Unfortunately this is the case, but it's because of the standards the Greats of old upheld. They were ruthless in wanting to fight the best and that is what 'completed' their resume.
People can say certain things about Roy Jones Jr's career for example but at the end of the day, he dominated everybody like no other and he more importantly handily beat two monsters in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins.

 

:deal

 

:good

I'm not a big fan of the writer (he's annoying as hell) but this guy gives some pretty valid points about Mayweather's place in history is overrated:

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/news/...mayweather-jr-s-place-among-the-modern-greats

 

They always blame Pac.

Alex Ariza:

''When Mayweather called Pacquiao and made a $40 million offer for a fight with him which was eventually turned down, it was because Manny passed the phone to Michael Koncz (Pac's advisor) which was a mistake''