Joe Calzaghe vs. James Toney @ SMW.

I have seen about 20 of his fights going back to when he was a Ring Magazine Up and Comer in 1992.

I don't recall him losing any of them, tho perhaps I should check.

 

Calzaghe's legs carry him to the victory. Good lateral movement always gave Toney issues sure his educated counter right would have it's moments but look at his fight against Reggie Johnson a fellow southpaw who gave Toney a nightmare fight. Now picture Joe a naturally bigger man with a higher work rate popping in and out like that. Good fight but I have to go with Joe- who never lost and adapted very well when faced with styles that presented problems to him. Great fight though.

 

Fair enough and impressive if you're watching outside the UK. I only thought he lost the Hopkins one tbh but he's less than impressive in others. The Reid fight some had him losing and it was pretty close. Bika kept landing the right but he probably didn't win.

Some people say he lost another domestic fight (Thornbury? Starie?), I can't remember which as I didn't watch either and it maybe a detractor comment but there are people who say he lost one of those but I can't remember the name.

The worst officials I think was the Mitchell one where Mitchell was stopped while throwing a punch. Mitchell felt cheated about that after.

 

The Reid fight was not impressive. That was worst I remember seeing him. Reid was a talented fighter and Calzaghe wasn't on form that night.

 

prime 4 prime, toney stops him early, or outboxes him for points decision comfortably.

Due to his less than world class ability to hit the target, joe always lagged behind landing efficiency when against a boxer who was above middling (sadly this only happened thrice, Reid and Kessler and Hopkins until he gassed out). But he compensated by throwing very many of these relatviely ineffective and inaccurate punches.

 

yes, Calzaghe was clean floored but the ref let him rest and get up.

post prime Mitchell fell whilst backing onto the ropes, then oproceeded to back joe up and slipped without falling at which point the ref mysteriously jumped in to save Joe from picking up his first loss.

The other possible loss you referred to was against Robin Reid, although he was actually pretty good, borderline world class, which is why I suspect Joe ran from a rematch from him back to fighting subdomestics.

 

Calzage too quick of hand and foot and he could bang to the body and head when he set to.....Calzage UD at 168 -175

 

he might be quick but toney is very quick too.

sadly calzaghe cannot land well when punching at speed, and cannot land effectively causing no damage too.

Calzaghe also need cheating ref in order to stop fights he will potentially lose.

 

Calzaghe would outwork Toney for decision victory. Toney liked to sit back and counter punch but Joe's great handspeed, fast jab, work rate and ability to quickly get in and out of the pocket would stifle Toney.

 

Toney would throw less and be far more accurate tagging Joe with the right hand at will while Calzaghe would be throwing more but largely ineffective.

Similar to the Hopkins fight which many of us had Hopkins winning on accuracy. A Prime Toney is quicker and better than a 43yo Hopkins

SD either way.

 

Toney should win, but at any point after Joe was champ he'd have beaten Toney.

 

toney would laugh as he dodged joes wild powderpuffs, wondering why joe keeps throwing them when he knows they cause zero damage. And he would then hit calzaghes face at will, opening multiple menstruating vaginas for all to see.

then late on toney slips momentarily, and joes cheating pal welsh ref jumps in to stop toney KOing Joe by calling it another win by "calzaghe special tko".


Ref then carries Joe back to his corner like he did with Clev.

Because of course Joe has made sure he has his usual paid ref and judges on his side before the fight.

Outside Wales, its KO stoppage by toney early.

 

If it's both fighters at SMW, fully fit and fighting to their full capabilities, it has to be a win for Toney.

Joe had great volume, and great stamina, but he was always susceptible to right hands.

Toney was more accurate, had better timing, and a much better defence.

He was just a better fighter.

But if they'd have met at SMW in the 90's, the chances are, that Toney wouldn't have showed Joe an ounce of respect, and barely trained for the fight.

So it wouldn't have surprised me to see Joe win a decision, if it'd been a Tiberi/Thadzi version of Toney, which was out of shape and unmotivated.

But both guys at their best, there's only one winner.

You also have to question whether Joe would have taken the fight in the first place.

 

that true, joe would only fight toney when toney was 40something so he could outgass him after getting hit at will in the first half of the fight.

because once joe loses his zero he has nothing except a win over Kessler, and would drop out of the top ten smws.

 

sadly he missed so many when he was quick, and didn't bang at all, they were powderpuff nothings to impress welsh judges.

there are lies inherent in your post.