The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

one of them will go on vacation.

 

Nope.Until complete ballsack and balls transplants become reality Floyd will always act like a eunuch.

 

Than he should fight the one little guy then

 

Pac fans don't like facts.....it burns

 

Personally, I am not particularly bothered by the results of near-misses by a few Mayweather challengers, who made it a closer than usual contest. But, contentious results live in the memory and it is not unreasonable for them to be mentioned in an assessment of any Boxer's career.

These comments smack of marketing blurb rather than considering actual circumstances. Arguing a case, founded on Marquez's pound-for-pound rating? This is a fragile standpoint, at best, remembering that the 'pound-for-pound' concept started out as a way of drawing attention to the skills of smaller, lighter men, in comparison to the celebrated Heavyweights (e.g. Sugar Ray Robinson's skills vs. the skills of Joe Louis). There was no expectation that such comparisons would be meted out in reality.

These days, what is still the abstract idea of a pound-for-pound rating, is taken far too seriously. Using it to find some merit in a bout that is, to all intents and purpose a mismatch, demonstrates just how contorted the concept has become.

Even if there are several, cases of smaller Boxers going up in weight to defeat larger men (examples of which you should cite for direct comparison), this is not a rationale for Marquez/Mayweather being a good match-up. And, Mayweather's 22-month lay-off ? It was hardly a Leonard vs. Hagler style comeback, was it?

The circumstances of the fight are a stain on Mayweather's record, however much people want to dress it up as a "good" win. Quite simply - it was anything but.

Fights that either didn't happen at a competitively optimum time or just didn't happen at all are just part of the facts used in assessing a Boxer's career achievements. Mayweather didn't fight Mosley when the latter could be considered anywhere near his best. That's just the way it is and Mayweather's victory has to be taken in that context. There's no avoiding it.

I'm also compelled to point out that, having just used Mayweather's lay-off to boost the value of his win against Marquez, you have done quite the opposite, with reference to old man Mosley's lay-off. This indicates a clear bias.

Incidentally, did you ever notice how Mosley was miraculously established as the pound-for-pound number 3, after his upset win over Margarito? Moreover, are you not surprised that he was able to somehow maintain that ranking for fifteen months, without competing again, until Mayweather? Just a thought or two on how one win can be exaggerated to the point of making a Boxer seem more than he really is.

What point are you trying to make here - that Oscar tired in the Mayweather fight because he was known for tiring in the last third of a bout, during his prime, or that an aging, semi-retired, way past prime Oscar tired because of what Mayweather was doing?

I think I know which explanation the rational money would be placed on.

As per a previous point I have made: fights that either didn't happen at a time when they'd have been deemed at their most competitive or just didn't get made at all are factors in appraising a Boxer's career achievements, regardless of your take on the historical reasons why.

In Mayweather's case and for whatever reasons, he simply didn't face the best, in around his weight class.

Sorry - but I have enjoyed my 'All-Time Greats' facing the best opposition around, which Mayweather hasn't done. The OP has the same right as I and many other Boxing fans do, to be disenchanted by Mayweather's career; no matter the tireless chants, advertising the contrary.

I can neither think of any other Boxer in history, whose record and eventual legacy needed so much propping up with explanation after explanation nor any other period in Boxing history, which has converted so many fans of the sport into apologists for one of its top competitors' shortcomings.

 

I stopped reading at 45-1-1.

 

:deal

 

Also on the subject of Mayweather vs. Marquez, almost everyone overlooks the fact that Mayweather does everything better than Marquez. He's better defensively, a better counterpuncher, more accurate with his punches, and an overall better boxer. Plus he had the size, strength, and punching power advantage. Marquez was made to order stylistically for Mayweather. Floyd's most overrated win.

 

http://www.si.com/boxing/2010/01/08/pacquiao-clottey

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mayweather-camp-not-giving-superfight-235800753--box.html
And the significance of Weinstein's statement was that Arum, after being the one to break up the mediation, declared the 24 days was the proposal ultimately recommended by the judge and the one rejected by Mayweather, which was not true at all. Top Rank walked away from the negotiating table and then lied about what happened.

 

They already openly stated they agree on making it happen.

 

When? Where?

 

Great thread.
*****'s be crying over this.
Thought Big George was gonna have a heart attack.

 

You're underwhelmed because he defeates every opponent he's been in the ring with and makes it look easy......you hate that dont you?

 

Omg, if Floyd gets an injury (considering he never does) that's a straight duck. He's on thin ice with me.

 

Great post