Does Floyd "play" off of the cherry picking theory?

He beat the man who beat the man.

"Who is the best in the division" is nothing more than an opinion. I could say yes, I could say no. Either way, you can't prove to me anything since it's just an opinion.

The lineal title can be traced backward to show justification of its claim.

Recently it has become more irrelevant with The Ring's version, the YPH/Khan situations, etc. But if we are talking about true lineal titles, then yes. They are the top dog in their division because they beat the previous top dog, who beat the previous top dog, etc.

There is a reason why most credible rankings list a division by stating a lineal champion and then the top ten 1-10. If there is no lineal champion, they usually state "vacant" and then list the top ten 1-10.

 

Just checked based on Super Hans post. Mosley was indeed #2.

I guess Alvarez was "forced" to weigh in 2 lbs under the limit, just as Cotto was "forced" to do so at 145 and put his belt up.

Alvarez was still the guy to beat just north of 147. It is what it is. I think the math is eluding you. Not me.

Algeri and Rios are considered cherry picks. Alvarez, not so much.

 

Lineal can be re created once titles are vacated .the two best guys fight and new lineage is established .

Again instead of choosing a legit threat he goes for the safest route ! Where was Baldimor ranked before his bout with Judah ? 10 th in the WW rankings ?He was supposed to be a walk in the park for. Judah but what happens ? Baldi was never a top dog prior to his bout with Judah ..That's why this win doesn't hold much water nor does it elevate his legacy..

 

Well, I remember it being everyone other than one major source. I thought it was Big Dan on ESPN, but I guess it was The Ring... No surprise there.

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And this is what happens with multiple ESB threads open:

Apparently Payano is bleeding from an accidental headbutt induced cut in round 2.

 

Ali was a massive huge underdog against Liston. I guess nobody should have bothered facing him right afterward either. Fighting him after beating Liston would have been such a safe route to take.

 

I looked into it.

I guess you are right with The Ring.

https://web.archive.org/web/20091010123306/http://www.ringtv.com/ratings/welterweight/

^ Controversy was over The Ring rankings at the time because Pacquiao jumped all the way to #1 after defeating his first ever ranked WW foe, Cotto, who entered the Pac fight at #3 (behind Mosley #1 and Floyd #2)...

 

Different era different breed of fighters .. Please don't make that comparison.

 

It may be an extreme, but simply the opposite extreme of the claims you make.

 

What you are getting confused about (or making up completely to suit your agenda) is only ESPN had Mosley ranked number 1, not just 'one main publication'.:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2010/5/1/1453833/bad-left-hook-live-boxing-results

Pacquiao was ranked number 1 by all as he should have been, if we take your 'what have you done lately' agenda into account you use when saying Maidana should've been ranked in the top 5 at 147 above Alexander and thus Porter.

Pacquiao had stopped Cotto, Mosely lost to Cotto. Mosley's only win at 147 in the THREE YEARS prior to the Mayweather fight was over Magarito (who's win over Cotto had a huge Astrix next to it at the time).

So the previous 3 years prior to the Mayweather fight,

Mosley had 1 win against Magarito and a loss to Cotto
Pacquiao had a win over De La Hoya and a win over Cotto

Not rocket science to work out why Pac was number 1, and cricticise The Ring all you want but I'm sure if we have a discussion about who's the lineal champ you'll agree The Ring's right and not TBR. You need to do a better job of hiding your ***** agenda.

 

ok, its seems like weve narrowed it down to just alvarez from your starting list. i agree that alvarez at 152 is better than rios and algeri as far as scalps go, gut the fighter most people ranked as top dog at jr middle is a 154lb alvarez, and thats not the guy floyd fought. when you are determining who the best is, in a division as tight as jr middle was at the time, these things matter. i think lara and possibly trout are better than a 152lb canelo.

 

Trout lost to a 153 lb (drained?) Canelo and Lara lost (I think he won, actually) to a 155 lb (overweight?) Canelo. Floyd schooled a 152 lb (drained?) Canelo. Which version is better? He was not at the limit in any of these fights.

Pac whipped a 145 lb (drained?) Cotto, who weighed in at 146 lbs (drained?) the fight before. Which version of Cotto was better? He was not at the limit in any of these fights.

 

if you think lara won, why are you arguing that floyd faced the top dog at jr middle? that would mean that your last hope of proving that floyd faced the best in a division is really second best, below lara. since you are doing my work for me, i will rest my case and conclude that floyd hasnt faced the top dog in a division in over a decade.

 

Because, I am not biased. But, the scores are what they are. And many experts felt Lara's offensive inactivity was the justification in giving the fight to Canelo. I happen to disagree. But, it is what it is. And the rankings are what they are.

With that said, based on experts' opinions, Canelo was the man to beat at JMW when Floyd and he fought. With that Lara fight behind him, Canelo is #2 at JMW behind Mayweather. So, that would make you incorrect.

 

ok, i can live with that. so the closest floyd has ever come to fighting the best in a division is a weight drained, green alvarez who turned out to not really be the best because lara, who was also available at the time, beats him. very impressive run for floyd.

 

Lol. Ok. History will write that story differently I'm sure...without the clear bias. Or will Floyd pay off the boxing historians too?