All body punches have an effect, sooner or later. Holyfield never landed a "fighting changing" (result changing?) head shot either, so I guess Lewis might as well be allowed a crash helmet. (slightly kidding ) Yes, but that fact only makes the matter worse from this spectator's POV. It's quite irrelevant. There needs to be consistent standards. We can't just have them making it up between themselves. That's my position, and I think it's reasonable.
It is i suppose, but i just don't think it matters half as much as you are making out, and I think that's reasonable too. Either way, Lewis got his didn't he? For the terrible sin of wearing his protector too high? Karmicly, he felt the whip, no? I mean it seems a bit rich to complain about how high the trunks of the athlete robbed blind was, you know?
It's not the fairness to the athletes that I'm complaining about. I have no sympathy for Holyfield because he didn't even care. It's the integrity of the contest, the sh!t we as spectators accept as "normal", the integrity of the contest, this joke of a sport, blah, blah, blah. :good
Well we can agree his protector should have been lower, no question - I kind of get the sense you're veering into No Contest type territory though? I would reject that kind of thinking personally.
Again, it was the ref's job and no one else's who should have dealt with the protector issue if he felt it was a definite advantage for Lewis. Truthfully everyone would have been better served if he did deal with it, but you certainly can't blame Lewis for this, anymore than you can blame Ali being responsible for the loose ropes in Africa.
116-112 Lewis. Rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 9, 10 and 11 to him, with rounds 5, 6, 7 and 12 going to Commander Vander. It was a much better and an all-round more competitive fight than the first one, but all this talk of Lewis getting lucky is a load of cobblers in my opinion. Could maybe have it a point or so closer, but no doubt that Lewis won it.
Not fight changing but Holyfield made the rematch competitive by targeting Lewis' body with jabs and short hooks, winning the mid rounds with this approach.
He could have won the middle rounds with that approach in 1, too. In fact it was how he won seven. Nobody talked to him about those punches (rightly!). I'm just not convinced it matters that much.
Anyone who thinks Lewis was legit in wearing his TRAINING CUP and that such a cup doesnt give one an advantage is simply nuthugging.
I don't think anyone in this thread has said that. What about the criticism of your original post, where you claim everyone who sees it differently to you is biased? Any thoughts there?
And anyone who thinks it wasn't the ref's responsibility to correct the situation doesn't know **** about boxing. I don't care if Lewis came in with armour all over him like some ancient gladiator, at the end of the day it's the ref's responsibility to say you're not fighting wearing that stuff. If he allows the fight to take place, and Holyfield's not madly objecting, then it is what it is. And why it's being discussed some 14 years later is a real mystery to me. I've probably participated in over a dozen threads on this topic and this is the first time this was ever raised as an issue.
First post here. I had it 8-4 Lewis, and I thought it was a much better and closer fight than the first one. However, after the first 1/2 of the fight Lennox took over until the last round. Mind you, there were some close rounds, so I could see people having different scorecards, I just don't see Evander winning it.
I'll have to revisit the first fight and see which round you are talking about. I will say Lewis' visible body armor was possibly a huge deterrent. For me personally, the body attack is the difference between the two fights, and why Evander made it so much closer.