top 3 chins in heavyweight history.

Travis Walker and Raphael Butler, both of Whom Decked Vitali Klitschko In Sparring, Co-Headline Friday, April 6 On ShoBox

31.03.07 - New York – Travis Walker and Raphael Butler knocked down then-World Boxing Council (WBC) heavyweight champion Vitali Klitschko during sparring in late 2005, according to trainer Dickie Wood. Witnesses on those separate November days in 2005 have been reluctant to speak about the incidents at the gym formerly known as the La Brea Boxing Academy.

That is not the case with Wood. “I was there the whole time, and I saw it all,” said Wood, who co-trains Walker and serves as the head trainer for Diego Corrales.

“He (Klitschko) was throwing a jab and he pulled back and was coming forward. Butler hit him with a right hand and Klitschko went down and his knee twisted underneath him. That was the last day of sparring. It was on a Friday, one week before the fight against Hasim Rahman on Nov. 12, 2005.
“The day before, Walker hit him with a body shot. It was a left hook to the body, and it knocked Klitschko down.”

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Why didn't Vitali give Butler a title shot?:yep

 

What makes you believe that was the best right hand Lewis ever threw?

Remind me what point of what round?

Ive seen Lewis connect the same shots of many a mans head and take it.

 

Okay, if " Dickey Wood " says it must be true! What did Butler say, and how was he connected to Wood? There are bogus sparring stories all of the time, and sometimes a manager / promoter misleads the public in a hope for a pay day.

Example: We saw this with Munroe's management claiming a knockdown vs Jeffries. It never happened. Munroe was the only one on the floor ( Several times ) from punches.

If you did research you'd see Butler was already Ko'd early twice before this allegation happened, and was never a top 15 guy, or close to it. That is why he did not get a world title shot...from anyone. Make sense?

Now Gunboat Smith on the other hand beat ranked contenders and could be viewed as #1 in the world for a period of time. There is no dispute he knocked Jack Johnson silly. It was in the news and admitted by both fighters. Can you see the difference? :deal

 

Chuvalo, Tex Cobb, and Oliver McCall.

 

Foreman:Ali knocked him out.(Stamina problem)
Lyle knocked him down.
-Briggs' power is overrated.What's Briggs' best ko win ?
- Moorer.What was Moorer's best ko ?
-Morrison? What was his best ko? Faded Ruddock? Faded C. Williams?
-Frazier,Norton? Foreman was a mismatch for them.
Foreman had good chin but it was far away from the perfection.
Holmes: Don't forget James Smith,Berbick,Nielsen,
(Larry was 52 years old !!!) and the prime McCall (Holmes was 45 !!! years old and competitive),Snipes,Spinks !
Shavers was Holmes' opponent two times !:bbb

Chuvalo maybe he was hard to knock out or down but this doesn't mean
he has/had a good chin.Maybe some punches could slow him down.
Basically he wasn't a successful good fighter.
His chin was good for a punchin' bag but for the good wins is another
question.:shock:

 

The survivor tactic doesn't prove the great chin.I agree in this question.
:happy

 

You won't believe Vitali was knocked down twice,although there are several witnesses , but you're happy to believe Smith knocked Johnson down although Smith himself said he put him halfway through the ropes? Yeah sounds about right:




For You.



Munroe didnt even have a manager till after his exhibition with Jeffries.You can produce an AP report that says Smith knocked Johnson into the ropes ? I can produce a ringside report of Munroe dropping Jeffries.
If Jeffries went down I don't believe it was the result of a punch.
The difference is I am not so blinldy bigoted that I can't see the wood from the trees .






Gunboat Smith was dropped for a 9 count by 20 years old 170lbs Georges Carpentier ,he's beating Jack Johnson?:think
The question why didn't Butler receive a title shot was a joke that obviously passed you by.atsch

 

Holyfield took a very similar shot in the 9th against Lewis, and dare I say he took it every bit as well as Vitali who took an almost identical shot.

Clearly Vital had a great chin, but if you ask me the evidence is lacking to put him in the ultra-elite chin category. He never took a sustained beating of any kind and never took a series of hard shots.

Credit to him for that, but on the basis of absorbing two isolated big shots is that enough to really enough to put him in the same bracket as Cobb, Chuvalo, Mercer etc?
I personally cannot endorse it.

 

Chuvalo ray mercer and randy tex Cobb all has first rate chins.tommy Farr was also known for being buttress jawed

 

I believe Vitali hurt his knee. In Johnson's case numerous newspapers and books say Gunboat knocked Jack Johnson silly. Where are these numerous reports on Butler doing the same? Ha, they do not exist. All you have is some obscure guy, likely angling for press.

You can't be that stupid! Joe Choynski at 170 pounds knocked Johnson out! Stan Ketchel, 5'9" tall and crude had Johnson floored. Smith was 6'2, bigger,and happened to beat Willard ( who Ko'd Johnson ) and Moran who gave Johnson a good scrap. These are facts. Smith was the best white hope out there for a while. And he wrecked Johnson in a 4 rd ex match without Johnson having a knee injury. There is a reason why he wasn't picked over say jokers like Ross who had a bad losing streak before getting a title shot vs Johnson.

 

It seems some fighters are being judged severely, like Chuvalo (was he down against Bonavena?) and others are just getting a pass.

By that I mean I don't get the Tex Cobb argument. I think his whole rep is based on the Holmes fight - which, granted, was about as thorough a beating to the head that a man could possibly take. I can't take anything away from him there. He absorbed some hellacious shots.

But did you see Eddie Gregg hurt and flatten Cobb? Did you see Leon Spinks vs. Cobb? Didn't Leon drop him (but it was ruled a slip)? If Leon was even one-tenth of the fighter he was 10 years earlier, he'd have knocked Cobb out. If you watched that fight and didn't know who either guy was, and someone said one of these guys is considered to have one of the best chins ever, based on that fight you'd say it was Leon. Cobb was reeling from the seventh round on.

I didn't see Cobb vs Dee Collier, but Tex got stopped in one round in that bout. If Chuvalo had been stopped in one round by anyone, especially someone like Dee Collier, I don't think his name would even be brought up in this thread.

I think (in regards to Cobb) you have to stand up to more than one brutal beating to meet the criteria, don't you? And Holmes, despite all the shots, wasn't exactly a murderous puncher. Guys like Lucien Rodriquez went the distance with him.

I'm not buying the Cobb argument.

 

And before anyone brings up Cobb-Shavers, just go back and watch it. Earnie Shavers was slipping all over the ring in that fight. The soles of his shoes didn't agree with the surface of the ring. He wasn't planting his feet at all in that bout.

 

Difference is Johnson was a youngster about the same weight as Choynski . Smith had 12 lbs on Carpentier . Ketchel kd Johnson about as genuinely as you were interested in meeting me for a fight.
Listen numb nuts. Vitali sustained his knee injury as a result of being knocked down!atsch

Here is a contemporary news paper interview with Smith.
provided yeaterday by Boilermaker

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z335/klompton/smithrecountsdroppingjohnson.jpg
NO ONE WAS WRECKED , TKO'D, OR STOPPED.

You really are totally and completely stupid!

 

Ali, frazier, marciano

 

I would say Johnson weighed more than Choynski, and had 20+ fights under his belt. Hardly green.

12 lbs is not a big difference if we are talking 175 vs. 187. You are aware Carpentier won via DQ over Smith.

And Carpentier was a pretty good puncher in his own right, who got the better of Joe Jeannette in many fight reports in 1914.