After flattening sosa, where was Jones ranked at LHW?

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Obviously you're just a Roid Jones fanboy with an agenda etc, but I'm fairly certain you've already been repeatedly schooled on this subject, so hopelessly trying to rewrite history makes you look pretty sad. Aren't you the same guy who claims the Lineal championship is a load of **** anyways ?

Maske and Hill were ranked 1 & 2 when they boxed. Deal with it. Jones-Sosa was at a catchweight of 172lbs, and Roid defended his 168lb title twice after that fight. iirc he debuted in the The Ring's 175lb ratings – #2, below Hill - after Maske-Hill and Jones-McCallum took place in the same month. Jones was also still rated #1 @ 168, having defended his title there 6 weeks prior.

The clowns at The Ring rated Sosa's chin as the best in boxing shortly prior to Jones-Sosa. :roflatsch

Jones didn't “flatten” Sosa either. It was a very premature stoppage.

The Ring comic itself ranked both Hill then Michalczewski above Jones after the start of the new Lineage in 1996, during the period in which they inexplicably stopped recognizing the Lineal champions. At some point Nigel Collins – the new chairman of the Roid Jones Fanclub – couldn't bear it any longer and put Jones @ #1.

Hill then Michalczewski were the champions during that time. Deal with it. Roid was never more than a title holder @175lbs. The Ring's editor himself admitted Michalczewski should've been awarded their belt. Giving the title to Jones when they brought it back contradicted their whole "championship policy" :roflatsch. Roid's trinkets had no credibility. His WBA/IBF straps were meaningless paper titles which rightfully belonged to Michalczewski. Roid even lost his claim to the WBC title from 98-2000 due to his ridiculous antics.

Jones only damaged the sport with all his bull**** - and now he's a train wreck and deservedly the laughing stock of boxing :good.

 

AMEN! God bless you. I was afraid there werent any sane boxing fans left.

 

Better than I would have put myself if I bothered replying him.
Sosa had been already stopped by Liles, decked by Toney and had 4 losses prior to fighting Jones.

Sosa, due to his style was a very damaged 31 years old by then, and a catchweight of course.

 

1000 % correct, and even though it would be sick to wish serious damage to a fighter, it makes you even sicker to think of all the decent non cheats that have ended up severely damaged while he hasn't.

 

I could scan the ratings pages and post them, but basically this is what they say.

Before Jones fought Sosa, the WBC light heavyweight ratings (which were printed in Boxing Illustrated) looked like this:
Champion: Fabrice Tiozzo
1. Eddy Smulders
2. Montell Griffin
3. Mike McCallum
4. Merqui Sosa
5. Jose Gomes
6. Crawford Ashley
7. Nicky Piper
8. Andrea Magi
9. Maurice Core
10. Eric Lucas

After Jones beat Sosa, Jones WASN'T ranked in the top 10 by any organization at light heavy because he was still the IBF Super Middleweight champ.

The last Ring Magazine ratings I have before Hill-Maske and Jones-McCallum is from the period ending May 15, 1996.

Ring's Ratings for May looked like this:

Light Heavyweights (as of May 15, 1996):
1. Henry Maske (IBF Champ)
2. Virgil Hill (WBA Champ)
3. Fabrice Tiozzo (WBC Champ)
4. Montell Griffin
5. Dariusz Michalczewski
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Merqui Sosa
8. Mike McCallum
9. William Guthrie
10. Frank Tate

Before Jones-McCallum and Hill-Maske fought, this is what the WBC ratings looked like as well as the International Boxing Digest/Boxing Illustrated.

IBD/Boxing Illustrated Ratings as of Oct. 7, 1996:

Light Heavyweights
1. Henry Maske (IBF Champion)
2. Dariusz Michalczewski (WBO Champion)
3. Virgil Hill (WBA Champion)
4. Montell Griffin
5. James Toney
6. Mike McCallum
7. Eddy Smulders
8. Graciano Rocchigiani
9. William Guthrie
10. Merqui Sosa

In the same issue of IBD/Boxing Illustrated, the WBC ratings look like this:

Champion: Fabrice Tiozzo
1. Montell Griffin
2. Mike McCallum
3. Eddy Smulders
4. William Guthrie
5. Crawford Ashley
6. Nicky Piper
7. Merqui Sosa
8. Lincoln Carter
9. Richard Frazier
10. Mark Prince


So, to answer your question, before Jones fought McCallum, he wasn't rated by the WBC (at least in Oct. 1996 he wasn't) at Light Heavy and Jones also was NOT ranked at light heavy by Boxing Illustrated or Ring.

After Jones beat McCallum and Hill defeated Maske,

IBD/Boxing Illustrated ranked them like this in their Feb. 26, 1997 ratings:

Light Heavyweights:
1. Roy Jones (WBC Champ)
2. Dariusz Michalczewski (WBO Champ)
3. Virgil Hill (WBA/IBF Champ)
4. Henry Maske
5. Montell Griffin
6. Eddy Smulders
7. Graciano Rocchigiani
8. Michael Nunn
9. William Guthrie
10. Thomas Hearns

I don't have the Ring ratings for early 1997.

 

I guess I should also add that both Ring Magazine and Boxing Illustrated/IBD (which was older than Ring) rated Roy Jones the number-one pound-for-pound fighter throughout most of 1996. (Ring had Whitaker in that spot earlier in the year.)

So I guess that since Jones won a belt at 175, both RING and BI felt they had to rate him highly at the weight.

I don't know that for sure. I'm just guessing. I'm not a big pound-for-pound fan. But it would probably be weird to rate someone the BEST in boxing, and then rank him #3 in a weight division where there is no undisputed champ.

 

Even without the ridiculous crap that followed this, calling him 'Roid' Jones pretty much makes clear who has the agenda.

 

Could you possibly explain how calling a fighter who tested positive for steroid use " Roid " equates to having an agenda against him?


Before you answer and possibly quote the " supplement drink " excuse from the Jones camp, please bear in mind that the last " official " word on the subject came from the Indiana commission and stated " The findings of this commissions testing do NOT comply with the statement made by Roy Jones representatives "

Or words to that effect. In other words he and his lawyers were saying he took an over the counter drink, and the commissions laboratory testers said " BULL**** "

 

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Read his entire post: he clearly hates the guy.

If you call him Roid Jones, I tend to think you probably aren't being objective in a post that literally seems to dismiss everything he ever did -- and not by saying he had an unfair advantage.

 

With all due respect I believe people tend to do so because of the time lapse from the positive test, and the result becoming public knowledge.

It APPEARS that there was a deliberate attempt at a cover up. Was that possibly due to Jones's p4p ranking at the time, and the perceived damage to the sport were it immediately revealed. I don't know, but it does beggar the questions, just how long was he on the juice, and was he allowed to get away with it?