Sam Langford VS Joe Frazier, Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis

But if Langford can get him to bite on one of his little traps, he is going to sleep.

I would say that Langford did overcome this sort of physical disparity at world level, depending on your definition of world class.

 

Ah, yes, the lost art of trapping and feinting.

versus

it's modern *******isation: crapping and fainting.

 

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We all know how good frazier, Lewis and Holmes were. It is not fair to put Langford in with them. Too many advantages to the modern fighter. I rank Langford above them all in an all time list, the guy was a beast!

 

I literally disagree with all of your points save the Frazier one, that Holmes is not mobile, that Langford is the most dangerous match up for Lewis. They both had extreme height advantages and brilliant jabs, and superb ring generalship. I do not think it is reasonable to assume that Langford, who struggled with the better heavyweight jabbers of his era, would somehow close the gap and ice them with a single punch (Holmes especially). Langford is a better fighter; he is not a better heavyweight.

In a reply to McGrain you emphasize how Lewis would handle having to be hit by Langford while ignoring the inverse. Lewis would be the greatest puncher, in absolute terms that Langford fought. The inverse is not necessarily true.

 

I would not disagree with this. Langord would go into any fight believing he could win. This would make every fight very interesting. Langford would come to win. I think sam could win 1 of these fights that's how good he was. This is without modern training and size. Langford is top 5 of all time!

 

Langford was outboxed by Fred Fulton and Wills .. he had challenges w McVey when McVey used his jab well .. it was a huge stylistic nightmare for him .. I don't see him doing better against two of the best ever in Holmes and Lewis .. However Frazier, who was not a fast starter and who did not love to fight small guys could get caught .. Sam was a murderous punching sharp shooter and that is a very interesting match up ..

 

Does langford have 0 chance?

 

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It's brought up because the Fulton bouts show that Sam could be outboxed at heavyweight by tall talented guys with huge reach advantages .. small sluggers play into his strengths.

 

I met a relative of Sam Langford a few years ago . I was posting a lot on facebook about him, and she asked about him. If you check my history i started a thread a few years ago. She shared a few stories but was shocked how famous he was. I left her in no doubt she was related to a legend!