all i know is that you little Boy are sick and you are obssesed with liston, you keep making threads about him trying TO get the support OF peopñe in your own crappy opinion, tons OF fighters would **** on the FACE OF your hero, foreman, tyson, holyfield, vitali klitscko, joe Louis, ali, jack Johnson, ali not only prime ali, 74 ali would beat his CRAP as well, all them would beat him. For sure, Lewis, frazier, marciano, Ike ibeabuchi, Vladimir, bowe, Dempsey... Would have a good chance, guys like tua, spoon, ruddock, lyle, baer, mccall, rahmam... Would be a hard fight for him, sorry IF i hurt your fellings, liston is an overrated bum
Haha i agree 100% foreman was much more mobile on his feet and the hand speed is debatable as well, the stamina would not be a factor here because liston could not run from foreman TO tire him, foreman did cut the ring even TO másters like alu and young so this dumb ugly guy is doing nothing TO avoid foreman, they would trade and foreman was bigger, stronger, took a better shot, hits harder, he. Haad by far more credentials vsstrong full sized hws, ( the hiatory liston vs the overrated bum williams is Too much used) , the stamina is not a factor because liston is out in 5 rounds
thinks for giving us a laugh this fine sunday morning. 70's ali would have the best chance out of all of them, but the 70's ali would rope a dope and liston wouldn't fall for that. he'd pick and time his shots carefully.
I agree that neither Liston- Clay fight were legitimate victories. The first one was either a fix or Liston had a valid shoulder injury. The second one was a fix/dive, pure and simple. A person would have to be blind to not see that. You'll never convince the Ali disciples of that. It's a waste of time to try.
exactly. the first fight was suspicious.In the bout Liston was cut under his left eye on the cheek and his corner man Joe Polino used a Monsel solution, now banned to close the wound. It was the normal solution to use back then. When Clay and Liston clinched and Clay got close to Liston, the sweat of the two along with the Monsel Solution got into Clay's eyes. Even Angelo Dundee said it was the Monsel solution on Liston's' cheek. In a bout, immediately after the bout, the gloves are removed and handed to a glove man who's a rep of the local state commission.If any type of salve or liquid was rubbed on leather, it would leave a stain of grease mark on the gloves. None were ever detected or claimed by either clay or the commission.Monsel's solution is a very thick septic solution looking like carmel and it forms a crust over the cut. I f this was applied it would leave a gooey mess. Just sports writers rumors.
Lennox Lewis: He had only 44 fights including two ko losses. The slow and not too skilled McCall knocked him out in the second round. Considering McCall never was too talented at the tall fighter beating. Rahman a glass-chinned bum destroyed the prime Lennox with a classic one punch ko. He wasn't impessive against Vitali,Bruno or Mercer. The Mercer fight was a shame.It was a close fight with a fat guy. (The 42 years old Holmes beat the unbeten Mercer easier than the prime Lennox.) Lennox never beat a prime ATG. Mercer:The 42 years old Holmes and Ferguson beat the prime Mercer. This says all. Tua: He's an overrated unskilled slow guy.His best win is Rahman and it was a lucky win.His power just a myth.I think he never was a real muscular heavyweight.He was an average fat ass type unathletic fighter. -Ibeabuchi proved nothing.He had a very short unimportant carrier. His best win the lame Byrd.This proves nothing. -Holyfield is overrated as hell.He has 10 losses and 2 drawns. He was lucky against Sherman Williams.The bum Bert Cooper knocked him down. His Bowe win was very close.He beat the post-prison ,mental crap Tyson by disqualification on the rematch. He could knock Stewart out by cut. He couldn't knock the 42 years old Holmes or Foreman out. Holyfield beat a total out of shape Douglas.Douglas was far away from his ideal fighting weight. Holyfield's greatness is based on the first Tyson fight. Big thing he beat a tired post-prison very bad Tyson.A good win means nothing. Holyfield had 57 fights but including lots of not heavyweight fight. Ali: He destroyed the overrated Liston two times.Just saying.He proved. Foreman: He's very overrated.Ali and Young beat him in his prime. The mediocre Lyle knocked him down in his prime. Sonny "Lipton":"Lipton" is the most overrated fighter ever. He beat a glass-chinned,fragile Patterson two times.These are his best wins. His every other win is crap.:shock: To me the Patterson wins are crap too.:roll: I think the following fighters are/were far better than the prime Liston: (I talk about the good versions) Tyson,Ali,Marciano,Louis,Lennox Lewis ,Tucker,Smith, Berbick,Holmes,M.Spinks,Holyfield( for example theTyson version not the crap ), Golota,Ruddock,Bruno,Dempsey,McCall,Thomas,M.Frazier,Ferguson(Douglas version),Douglas,V. Klitschko,Ibeabuchi,Byrd,Dempsey,Jack Johnson,Povetkin,Chagaev,Valuev and the list can go on and on...:bbb
Ali, Joe Louis, and Larry Holmes are the only guys I would favor over Liston. Other guys could beat him but I wouldnt be confident in picking them Lennox has a chance but his chin is an issue and Liston's jab can match his Tyson maybe but even if he does get on the inside past his jab I think Sonny can tie him up and beat him on the inside too maybe Riddick with his size and skills would have a shot. still i think Liston does everything Riddick does but better guys like Walcott Charles Moore got the skills but the size is gonna be an issue Norton is great at picking apart boxers but big hitters like Liston would always crush him the one time Vitali fought an elite boxer with a jab he got his face ripped open. Liston would do the same guys like Holyfield and Frazier mix it up too much and would get killed. I think Foreman would also get crushed by Liston
liston was a guy in his 40s who could back up foreman in his prime no one who stands up in front of him has any chance so louis has ZERO chance lewis- maybe- lewis has the ability BUT liston hits hard and can take lennox in a single shot-- i give liston the edge ali really is the only guy with enough skill and chin to handle liston holmes has his dick sucked off on this forum way too much- that so called shot he stood up from shavers- the fight should have been stopped because he was all over the place- just shows how terrible shavers was at anything other than power shots holmes gets beaten by liston- easily- holmes fought nobody ever- and when he did fight someone finally- tyson- he got his head knocked off tyson would lose to liston the same reason patterson did- he cannot stand up in front of liston if you have lateral movement and an insane chin with world class ability you have a shot- basically ali i think roided holyfield would last the 12 but lose UD riddick bowe (a coward who didnt face lewis)? he might have the tools but would never be a real contender
liston in his 40s could back up foreman,? you forgot to mention saying that foreman was a 18 years old kid when they sparred and he was far to be 100% developed at fighter and pysically his strength and power were not the same.and still their sparring sessions were wars.. complete eat ****... hahah what a joke this forum