Ruby Goldstein A Top Ref?

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    His vote of Patterson over Maxim was the right choice.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Maybe but it is considered debatable.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    He was the 3rd man in the ring. He got Walcott vs Louis 1, correct. He was also a hands off ref that was rather slow to enforce the rules.

     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You havent seen the complete Walcott v Louis first fight, so for you to make that asssertion is just plain ridiculous.Which is uniquely endemic to you.
     
  5. detamour

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    ruby, was recently recovered from a heart attack right?
     
  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Idiot! I quoted Joe Louis himself. I have seen much of the footage on Walcott vs Louis 1. I have also noted the loud booing of the crowd when the decision was announced and Joe Louis's body language was that of the loser.

    Didn't Louis leave the ring before the decision was announced?

    All of the above is true.

    Now read this: Based on what I have seen Walcott was the better, and based on a 10 point must system, Walcott has two 10-8 rounds and would have won..even with the scoring form the judges who gave it to Louis.

    Now a bit more for your warped mind.



    Walcott's reaction?

     
  7. mcvey

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    Your statement below.


    "He got Walcott vs Louis 1, correct"
    You have not seen the entire fight , therefore you are not qualified to make that statement.

    Joe Louis never said at any time that he thought he lost that fight,in his autobiography which I have, he was emphatic that he deserved the decision.

    On the TV show" How It Was", he twice reiterated that he won the fight .

    Louis left the ring because he was disgusted by how bad a fight it was,something for which he blamed Walcott's running tactics.

    He spoke to Walcott briefly befoe leaving the ring he said, "I'm sorry Joe" .

    Louis always emphasized that he was referring to what a stinker of a fight it was ,and not that he thought Walcott deserved the decision.

    I'll quote Louis now.


    "For the rest of the fight Walcott got on a
    bicycle-like a black Bob Pastor.he was determined to stay the fifteen rounds and he just fought in spurts."

    When the fight was over ,I just wanted to get out of that ring ,I was so disgusted with myself and the way that I fought that I started climbing out before the decision was announced,but my corner pulled me back
    .I didn't care about the decision.I knew I won since Walcott didn't come to me.

    After all, I was the champion and he had to take the crown from me"


    You have seen no more of the fight than is readily available to the rest of us.I bought what is out there in the late 1960's.

    You watch excerpts of a fight then give an emphatic opinion on who should have received the decision,and accuse another of having a warped mind?:patsch

    You are confusing being psycho with psychic.:lol:
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Mcfool,

    John Garfield said those at the match felt Walcott won. He was there. As usual you avoid the points made.

    The fight was not a stinker if you value the skills that Walcott showed. He moved, boxed, and countered beautifully and showed top ring generalship. Louis could't hit the moving target, nor did he had the footwork needed to cut off the ring.

    I already quoted what Louis said, and how he acted. He knew he lost. But in boxing, there can be some home cooking if you don't KO the champion and give up the final two rounds bad decisions can hapeen.
     
  9. mcvey

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    If John Garfield was there and he thought Walcott won he is entitled to. say so.
    You were not there, have not seen the entire fight and therefore are not entitled to an opinion.
    You have put an interpretation on Louis leaving the ring which is totally at odds with his own quoted words.

    I will take Louis's reason over yours any day of the week..


    "A ringside poll of 32 boxing writers had 21 scoring the bout for Walcott, 10 scoring it for Louis and 1 scoring it a draw"


    It's basic logic Rainman,something that does not exist on Planet Mendoza.
     
  10. klompton2

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    Bull****. As usual. Joe Louis felt he won the fight. Said so publicly many times. In fact in their joint appearance on TWIW Gowdy asks Louis if he felt he won and Louis says yes to which Walcott replies "You cant believe that Joe."

    Also, to say youve seen "much" of FOOTAGE implying that youve seen much of the entire fight is false. Maybe at most 1/3 of that fight footage exists. Id estimate less. This is like you claiming youve seen more of Johnson-Moran than actually exists or Langford-Hague. Typical lies from someone who wants to pretend he has access to secret knowledge no one else does.

    In reality, despite the controversy, the radio announcers were adamant that Walcott ran A LOT for a guy who was trying to take the championship and implied that this counted against him. In fact one characterized his backpeddling as "Walcott put on the flight from Moscow." alluding to the famous retreat. There was enough ammunition on both sides for an argument.
     
  11. Flea Man

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    Also, a fair few ringside reporters did think Louis had won.
     
  12. mcvey

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    Ten out of thirty two,and one went for a draw.