Who beats FOTC Frazier?

Ali
Lewis
Holmes
Foreman
Louis
Bowe
Holyfield
Marciano
Dempsey
Wlad
Tyson
Vitali
Liston
Johnson

 

I profoundly and deeply regret that I have dissapointed you, but I fear it will not be the last time this occurs.

 

I agree.

Tyson and Foreman and Liston eat any version of Frazier

 

Manny Pacqiauo disagrees, as does Michael Moorer, and James Toney and more recently David Haye.

Name me one fighter in the heavyweight divison today, outside Wladmir, that throws fluid combinations.

Isnt that what Wladmir does?

Wladmirs best wins come against Chris Byrd and David Haye who were not that great to begin with and who were lighter than he was.

 

Maybe a huge puncher beats prime Frazier, but no boxer type does. As much as I admire prime Holmes, I don't think he beats '71 FOTC Frazier. That Frazier was too relentless, powerful, with head movement, fast footwork, power, speed, and tremendous condition and nonstop attack. He walks down and pounds on guys like Holmes. If Larry thought Norton was a tough fight... oh my, he'd be in for an entirely higher level and brand of ferocious nonstop intensity with '71 Frazier.

 

i agree wuth you apollack, & I agree that size often makes a diffence, when skill is involved.

Though it is absurd to claim none of the ATGs had any skills or techniques.
Some aspects of boxing were not as developed-but even in the 20's some had copious skills, & while the jab was underutilized, techniques of slipping, feinting, body work, etc...Were used more often & effectively.

And J-man you gotta stop the habit of rounding everyone's size down. Unless you really do not know or bother to look them up. Or perhaps you lazily or disingenuously choose the LIGHTEST weight they are ever listed at?

Would you list Lennox Lewis in the 220's? Not so big for 6' 5". Yet even without Stewart he was excellent, & often more effectively aggressive.

It becomes absurd with someone like Jack Johnson, whose prime weight was over 200/at least Frazier's, when you just list him as 180. You either cherry pick a young fighter or lightest recorded weight, or without caring if it was their best or a fact, list a light weight.
These habits sabatoge credibility.
We must wonder if you KNOW who they really were or are willing to distort the truth.

You might as well call Ali a LHW because that is where he won Gold in Rome.

This is not far fetched at all as a comparison of what you do.

Recently listing listing Archie Moore as 160 lbs., one must wonder if you KNOW what weights & divisions he fought at throughout his career, let alone having more KOs than any other HW.

All you need to do is watch the beginning of Marciano's last fight. He was 188 1/4 lbs, right around his stated & usual best weight.

Moore was 188. This is a fairly massive percentage distinction from 160.

You might as well take 28 lbs. off of the great MWs, & insist Hagler was in the 130's.

Facts matter. If you care at ALL about credibility & persuading anyone, rather than just sabatoging your own case...

Say "oops I was wrong"-assuming it was just carelessness & be more careful & scruulous going forward.

 

Bowe due to his inside skills.

 

Lewis?

 

That's how I see it as well. Frazier was something else that night, his intensity, focus and work rate was phenomenal he was simply on another level that night, easily his best performance.

You would have to take him out and prevent the fight going late as he was just so strong late in that fight, he never seemed to stop moving his energy levels were something else. I can't see many boxers being able to cope with that unless they have the power to take him out before Frazier forced it into the battle of attrition it would inevitably become.

 

I have to agree with this.

 

A slightly younger Ali
Foreman
Louis
Liston
Lewis

Throw in Dempsey and the Klits as tossups.

 

Prime Ali, Riddick Bowe, possibly Holmes and Page.