The Best Heavyweight Since Ali?

1. holmes
2. lennox
3. tyson
4. holyman
5. wlad

h2h Riddick is in there but no not on aggregate.

 

at the votes for old Foreman & Vitali.

 

I take it your fine with the 'greatness' list

So...

He did not. He lost almost every round to a guy who had a a torn rotator cuff beginning in rd 4. He continued for another five rounds, exacerbating the problem until good sense set in and he retired. As he explained to Larry Merchant post-fight, he'd rather lose the title and still have a boxing career than be finished permanently.

Chris is a nice chap but a healthy Vitali has few problems with him.

Lennox was close to prime and in shape for the fight. Emmanuel Stewart, Lewis' trainer at the time, said a few days before the fight that Lennox would come in a bit heavier than usual as Vitali was the biggest opponent he had faced. This has been spun into 'out-of-shape by casual fans ever since.
Myth.

And Vitali was not knodked out. TKO 6, remember ?

He got cut. He lost fair and square, but he was not KOd and in fact was doing very well against a top ATG till the cut became untenable.

No one knows how a Tyson Vitali fight would have unfolded.

Tyson usually had a fair amount of intimidation in his arsenal even before the fight began. Spinks was shitting himself on the way to the ring.

Vitali would not have been susceptible to that. He would have been the one doing the intimidating. Sam Peter was shaking like a leaf befor his confrontation, and Sam didn't get nervous easily.

Tyson obviously ranks higher alltime because of his record. I have him in the alltime 7 -9 spot, and Vitali scraping the bottom of the top 20.

But my second list was h2h, and IMO, the Vitali who was stopped on cuts would be favoured over Berbick's Tyson

 

i didn't say ali didn't get gifts. there's a couple i can think of, but lennox got put to sleep by 2 C class fighters. he's NOT the best since ali.

 

Dude got careless a couple of times.

(Joe Louis got KO'd in his prime, too.)

Lennox avenged both losses by stoppage. Has the best resume since Ali. Beat every man he ever faced. Retired as champ.

An easy call for best since Ali. His only possible rival there would be Holmes.

 

65-67 Ali was h2h the greatest ever.

Neither Klitschki would have caught him.

He had the speed of a fast welter weight, both of hand and foot.

Re 'enry:

He was clowning with Cooper, and was knocked down for between 3 and 4 seconds.

And he got no extra time between rds 4 and 5. Watch the video. The bell goes at 7:35 and at 8:36 round 5 is underway. More myth, fueled by the (biased ) British commentary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frn3rTj5DOY

Note the change after Angelo gives hima telling off. He stopped clowning and methodically goes to work on Cooper and finishes in half a round, as he promised.

And that Ali was 21 years old, still not at prime.


Vitali 14 - 1

Wlad 12 -3 or maybe a stoppage.

 

i feel the same

 

There is no way fighters like the K bros with their size, skill and ring generalship are going to lose that many rounds to anyone. As great as the punch resistance Ali had if Wlad catches him with the lead left hook he put out chambers and Austin with or the right straight he knocked Brock out with, the fight's over.

 

-You are 100% wrong in the Lennox Lewis case
Lewis was 257 pounds(carrier highest weight) against Klitschko.
Lewis second highest weight was 254 pounds.And he lost !
Rahman destroyed him.Rahman destroyed a younger better Lewis.
I think lots of fighter was far better than the Vitali version Lewis.
Lewis was incredible slow.But he destroyed Vitali's face.
Lewis deserved the win.But this 257 pounds was a very bad weight
for Lewis.
This shows v.klitschko' power VASTLY overrated.
He landed so many punches but he couldn't hurt Lewis.
Tko=ko So Lewis knocked vitali out.
(I think you don't mind Vitali's "ko" wins against Puritty by cut,or
Charr by cut. )I think you and another vitali fans are proud of his ko percentage
I hope you can follow your logic and ignore the Puritty and the
Charr ko from vitali's ko list.

- Vitali gave up against Byrd=ko loss.
The injury is a logical thing in boxing.I think some klitschko fans don't
care the 38 years old post-prison, mental collapsed Tyson's injury against Danny Williams.
Boxing is a tough sport.Vitali's was fragile it wasn't Byrd's fault.
I think some ****ing klitschko fans never care other fighters' injury,
,health,age,shape,quality and another problems.
I don't care the klitschkos' problems at all.
Byrd and Lewis knocked vitali klitschko out.Cut ko=ko.
Quit ko=ko
Everybody can quit.The quit is a bad,pathetic excuse.

But klitschko has other problems.
- He could knock a 38 years old unathletic fat bum Sanders out in the 8th
round. It's hardly an impressive performance considering Tyson' sparring
partner the fat Nate Tubbs destroyed a better,younger Sanders
much more easier than vitali klitschko.
Just a blinded and stupid klitschko fan can't see the difference:
( A not prime Tyson destroyed a reigning champion incredible ripped muscular 34 years old Bruno easier than the prime klitschko the 38 years old ,fat,unathletic bum Sanders.)
- I don't care this fear blah-blah.Sometimes the fear is a logical thing
in boxing especially against a brutal two fisted fighter who can /could
destroy massive guys like Ruddock's or Golota's health.
The fear can help the motivation.
-And vitali wasn't too good against Puritty.
He could knock the bum Puritty out by cut in the 11th round.
This isn't an impressive performance, considering the bum Woods destroyed
Puritty in the first round.
-Sam Peter is/was an unatletic bum without good win.
Check his last performance out ! This guy is a joke.

 

he doesn't even come close to holmes.

u count the mccall rematch for lennox? they pulled him out of rehab for that one. mccall had an emotional break down in the ring...threw no punches and lennox still didn't do **** to him. smh.

 

Do you know only one klitschko fans who care other fighters' problem?
But some klitschko fans use the "neverending" excusing tactic for vitali.
Bull****.

 

i can't speak on the klitschkos because i stopped watching them years ago. they don't belong on any list involving the best. this era is a wash. it's like being the toughest kid in your class when you're in a class of 4th graders. lol.
it's like being the smartest in your class when they're all ******ed. they both suck.

 

Is English your first language or were you just ****-faced when you typed this pile of **** ?

No fukcin' idea what any of your point is here.

And I'm pretty sure you don't either.

 

No, I figure they should have given it to Ollie out of sympathy.


Are you fuc king ******ed ?

Of course it counts for Lewis.

Who won the fight ?

Was it Lennox's fault that Oliver's deck was missing a few face cards ?

 

George Foreman hit harder than either K brother.

Did it help him in Zaire ?


The point is, neither brother could catch Ali flush, but he sure as hell will be peppering them.



You're on the other side of the very articulate VVMM fukcwit above who's accusing me of being too partial to the Klitschko brothers.

I am a fan, but try to keep things realistic.