top 3 chins in heavyweight history.

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Adam Pollack has done extensive research on Johnson he states Johnson weighed about the same as Choynski.

    I'm not only aware Carpentier won on a foul, I have the referee's report in a book. Bottom line 170lbs Carpentier dropped Smith for a 9 count, nothing changes that. Once more you've been comprehensively out classed , now run along and look for your new friends Bummy and
    Swagdefadeel or whatever his stupid name is.
     
  2. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Tommy Farr may have had one of the best displays of durability in his prime run.

    He went the distance in 4 straight losing efforts with Baer, Braddock, Louis, and Nova. Footage shows him taking all of Joe Louis' best shots. This was a time when Louis, Baer, and Nova were knocking out everybody. Only Nova managed to get a knockdown when Farr fell in the ropes and got up on 2 in the 14th round.
     
  3. mcvey

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    Baer had Farr down twice in their second fight,going into their first Baer had 2 stoppages out of his last 4 fights and in one of them Dutch Weimer went into the tank.

    Nova had him on the verge of a stoppage. Nova was stopping the ham and eggers in1938,[ when he fought Farr ,]but not the better boys ,he had 9 fights that year and 5 went the distance. Not disputing Farr put up a helluva show ,just setting things out there.Louis also hurt his hand early in the Farr fight.
     
  4. janitor

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    The most interesting point:

    None of them held the title.

    The three hardest punchers, likely didn’t either!
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    who are your top 3 hardest punchers? mine are liston, foreman, and shavers.
     
  6. lepinthehood

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    certianly not listons chin lol

    he also was an overated puncher.
     
  7. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    yes glassjawed Liston.:lol: in only 54 fights he was dropped two whole times and one of them was a dive.:lol:
    Liston is not overrated. He is underrated by ******s like you and heavy_handss. only boxing experts (unlike your and heavy_handss ******ed asses) rate him right. even then it's sometimes underrated.
     
  8. Titan1

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    George Chuvalo
    Tex Cobb
    Mitch Green.
     
  9. Bummy Davis

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    Chuvalo had a proven chin because he was hit often and by the best,stopped but standing, Tex Cobb did get stopped and hung in in a slug-fest with Shavers to stop Shavers but this happened to Earnie many times once he gassed but Cobb had a strong head for a guy that was an easy target.

    Mitch Green falls more into the Bone-hugging category for me, he was more like a boa constrictor
     
  10. Dubblechin

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    Go to the 5:47 mark of this video and watch Tex Cobb get blasted by a guy who couldn't punch at all - a guy (Eddie Gregg) who lasted less than 90 seconds against Cooney.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiI4JWl-P7g

    Cobb also got knocked out in one round in his very next fight.

    Tex Cobb DID NOT have one of the best chins in heavyweight history.
     
  11. Bummy Davis

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    for Champions, Baer had a solid chin, Jeffries seems to have had one, Marciano got hit with 2 pinpoint shots and got up quickly, Frazier got up 6 times vs Foreman and got up vs Bonavena,Ali was excellent at rolling but got up from Cooper and Frazier, Louis came at you and got caught but he got up to win all but once when young and the other old. Holmes as a pro got up from disaster vs Snipes and Shavers and he was shook by Weaver and Witherspoon, Tyson had a solid chin, I wish his mind was as solid

    non champs Sherman Williams , Marion Wilson, Ross Purity
     
  12. Halfordscream

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    Ali

    He went from young, mobile, quick, and hard to hit to leaning against the ropes diffusing some with the rope-a-dope but taking a horrendous amount of punches in the last half of that "second" career in most fights in rather close affairs against his opponents. He had to be incredibly tough to take it and it is evident that his condition reflected that amazing toughness. It was too good for his own health in the long run.


    After Ali ... well, probably three categorizations are the best examples.

    The second slot goes to the smallest heavyweights because they would generally have the shortest reach so their existence at heavyweight would be predicated on "inside" fighting and having to remain in range at all times against bigger, taller, longer opponents. Thus, they would be most likely to have to "take one if not two to give one" in every single round in every single fight of their career at the weight.

    Ignoring scrubs, I'd say that guys like Tyson and Tua HAD to have exemplary chins to give away that much length. There is no doubt in my mind that both fighters in their prime weren't afraid of ANYONE bigger than themselves and were supremely confident that their chins could stand up to any man. Period. They might have contemplated being outboxed but never out-manned.

    The third slot should theoretically go to some representative that reflects the largest men in this the only unlimited weight class. While I really prefer some from the fourth categorization or find it very close, I will finish this one out anyway.

    Not every giant or super heavyweight has a correspondingly significant chin. But, there has to be a few as they would simply be provided the natural advantage of being so large that the best punches of much smaller men just couldn't do the job as easily as when hitting someone close or closer to their own size.

    Perhaps the mountain Valuev or Vitali. I don't doubt that Valuev might have been dropped by the right punch - by perhaps a Lennox Lewis - but it didn't happen so it is speculation. Personally, I thought Vitali was dropped by Corrie Sanders. But since it was not ruled as such, then his near 6'8" size and record makes him an understandable choice as one of the toughest to get out of there. Still, I feel neither Vitali (or Wlad) had more than a couple fights against decent opposition capable of attacking or testing their chins. I just can't ever get it out of my mind how definitively poor their instincts were while under attack. Both brothers panicked against Corrie Sanders. Vitali was backpedaling and flailing his arms in a fashion that gives me real pause in considering his chin as invulnerable. It is probable that their chins are protected by their offense and lack of opposition more than anything else. But, it is clear that Vitali's chin with the connection or relation to his physical size (apex for the division) and record of success meant he may well have been the best of the most recent times (in the weak post Tyson/Holyfield/Lewis/Bowe era).

    In the fourth categorization would be the in-between guys. It could be a long list including Foreman, Holyfield, McCall, Holmes, Ibeabuchi ...

    I like these guys better than the third category because I find more evidence of a good chin if it has actually been touched and tested. Vitali's and Valuev's were more of a distant peak that no one in their era managed to climb to even see up close. If no one can hit your chin is the chin great? Or, if no one ever cracked your chin is that a great chin by definition, nonetheless?