Hasim Rahman Jnr makes his debut

Define "poor"
I could name dozens who never got near an olympics or world championships tournament let alone win anything.

Would that suit?

I could also name a good few superstar amateurs since 2000 who did very little as pros

 

Now define "poor" amateur.

Also 22 is kinda high since some guys win olympics in their teens. Ill go 20 and over.

But how about this list to get you started.
Peter Quillin
Marcos Maidana
Lucas Matthyse
Nate Campbell
Sergio Martinez
Stuart Hall
Chris Algieri
Marco Huck
Tim Bradley

Most of the Japanese/Thai champs in the lower weights never had much on an amateur career, but Im sure they went pro young.


Chris Eubank Jnr hasn't become a champ yet, but it wouldn't shock me if he won one.
Bryant Jennings, another up and comer with basically no amateur background.
Tony Thompson has been a top 10 HW for years with no real amateur experience.(taking the souls of former amateur stars as he goes)

Thats off the top of my head since 2000(Martinez may have been a touch earlier), using the 20-ish or over rule.

Im sure I could find plenty more if I studied it.

So, there you have it. A group of guys who went pro after 20p, who became champions and who had no major amateur accomplishments

 

15 wins...against who?? Also he didnt win them all!

Jeez, you talk about all these superstar amateurs with 400 amateur fights and then you say you can be a good amateur with 15 fights!?

You seriously need to define was a "good" amateur is.

Im talking about guys who never got near qualifying for an olympics let alone win a medal.

That to me is an average amateur.

And apparently being good at kickboxing is the equivalent of having a good amateur career!:roll:

Beating a few local guys in your small region isnt what I consider a "good" amateur.

Getting to a world championships and maybe winning a fight or two, makes you a good amateur.

Medaling at a continental championships makes you a good amateur

Medaling at a world level championships, makes you an elite amateur.

Jeez, I remember you telling me once that Russell jr wasnt an elite amateur and the guy medalled at a world championships! Now you change your tune

Thompson has fought for world titles TWICE! How close do you want him to get??

Hes been top 10 for the last decade or so! Smashing amateur stars as he goes.

Define "poor amateur".
Good amateur to me is someone who can medal at a continental championships, or at least qualify for a world championship or olympics.

To me, a guy who wins an All-Ireland when hes a kid, and then goes onto win a world title has FAR overstepped his amateur credentials

 

I was going to mention Bundrage but you'll probably dredge up him winning the u.18 Michigan silver gloves or something

 

His "**** smashed in"
How quaint :barf

Sort of like how he knocked an olympic bronze medallist around like a rag doll?
And beat an Olympic gold medallist?

Quillin has 15 amateur fights, a few of which he lost. That is not a good record. Period. You can twist it all you want.

So someone who wins a senior title in Uruguay or Bolivia is as good as someone who wins a national title in Russia or America?
Are they both equally good?

Winning a "national title" is about as broad and meaningless a way of judging fighters as Ive ever heard.
Every country is different. Its not just "good countries" and "**** countries"

Essentially your definition is someone who had a losing record as an amateur?

People that bad, dont waste their time going pro as they wouldnt make any money.

Also, this is without mentioning the countless fighters who couldnt be arsed wasting their time fighting for shiny medals and just go pro young

 

Cruiser

 

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